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Buff Elite Scimitar
« on: February 23, 2018, 01:38:02 AM »
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compared to the arab guard sword, why would anyone choose the elite scim at the moment?

the scim has 98 speed and 32c, vs the AGS 97 speed and 33c. Seems like a standard trade-off at first, except the AGS has the SIGNIFICANT advantage of being able to stab

the .4 less weight the elite scim has is not a reasonable trade for sacrificing a whole attack animation

also the elite scim model seems fine now, i know people used to complain about it, but i'm sure it was fixed as it doesn't have the ghost reach like it did in the early days

Make This Weapon Better Because I Like It

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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2018, 09:57:55 AM »
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1 speed > 1 dmg point

Also why would anyone ever stab with the arabian swords?

+ afaik weight also decreases your chance to glance, therefore heavy weapons hit harder overall.

Not even mentioning the broken animations of this sword, it has always been quite glitchy.

Nontheless I dont actually see anyone using it atm... so youre probably right, its shit.

Which is good.
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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2018, 10:15:19 AM »
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+ afaik weight also decreases your chance to glance, therefore heavy weapons hit harder overall.

I though the weight parameter only affect movement speed and stun chance (both offensively and defensively)?
I voted Gurnisson cause of his fucking bendy pike, I swear noone can roflcopter stab like he can.
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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2018, 10:37:54 AM »
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Scimi is fine as it is now, it used to be faster but its model is confusing so leave as it is.
Shaska on the other hand looks suspicious, it has more thrust damage some more "stabby" 1h's and it gets  +3 damage on both thrust and swing. \
Which one of unbalancers has this one?  :lol:

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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2018, 01:25:40 PM »
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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2018, 02:00:16 PM »
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Which one of unbalancers has this one?  :lol:

I have no idea
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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2018, 03:44:30 PM »
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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2018, 04:07:46 PM »
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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2018, 04:09:35 PM »
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1 speed > 1 dmg point

Also why would anyone ever stab with the arabian swords?

+ afaik weight also decreases your chance to glance, therefore heavy weapons hit harder overall.

Not even mentioning the broken animations of this sword, it has always been quite glitchy.

Nontheless I dont actually see anyone using it atm... so youre probably right, its shit.

Which is good.

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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2018, 08:37:39 PM »
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I totally agree that side sword needs a buff.
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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2018, 09:12:13 PM »
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I totally agree that side sword needs a buff.

I'm glad we could reach a solution to this problem.  Good work everyone.

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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2018, 12:24:30 AM »
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I don't remember making this thread, but I stand by it.

Also why would anyone ever stab with the arabian swords?

You don't need to release a stab for the animation to be useful; it's very useful for feinting. I'd say 1h stab to left swing feint is one of the best in the game. Besides, the stab sweet spot is good enough that it doesn't really matter if it's only 21p, it can still hit hard when used properly.

Question is, when Tydeus buffed 1h stab, was anything done to make three directional one handers more desirable, or was their indirect nerf an oversight?
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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2018, 12:42:56 AM »
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Tydeus super buffed 1h right swing and 3-d 1hs typically have better stats all around ignoring the stab. Not sure why it was nerfed, but it could be because of meta reasons for a popular(?) weapon. Purely from a stats point of view, +1 cut will bring it back in line, +1 speed will make it very good.

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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2018, 12:02:09 AM »
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Purely from a stats point of view, +1 cut will bring it back in line, +1 speed will make it very good.

What does the considerable loss in functionality that a 3-d weapon receives equate to in stats, though? I'm curious about how balancers factor this in, considering that it's not just a removal of raw pierce damage, but a very effective anti-cav attack, and one of the best animations for feints.
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Re: Buff Elite Scimitar
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2018, 01:46:06 AM »
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That's tough to answer since items were tweaked by many different people. I'm not sure who changed the elite scimitar myself. When I was balancing 1hs, a stab at 22p and below was essentially a non-factor, then I started factoring it in more at 23p and above.

Elite scimitar is a unique case imo due to the curved model acting as a wild card for balance. Can't really fault someone for taking that into account, or they just dislike the weapon :p