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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2013, 11:44:22 AM »
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The native americans walked from asia to north and south america. They are asians.

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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2013, 11:50:32 AM »
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Also add finnish sealskin coat and mora
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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2013, 12:54:35 PM »
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The native americans walked from asia to north and south america. They are asians.

Europeans walked from Africa into Europe so.... They are Africans?

Yet we have many different European types of gear.
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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2013, 03:11:36 PM »
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Europeans walked from Africa into Europe so.... They are Africans?

Yet we have many different European types of gear.

I doubt europeans walked from africa :wink:

On a more serious note, I'm all for more types of gear.
Why not african elephants?


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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2013, 12:06:58 PM »
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What a brilliant idea. What next, Eskimo gear?
I assumed that was implied with "Native American".

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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2013, 05:49:14 AM »
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American natives equipment was all pretty primitive...only things not really represented in the mod would be...

Maquahuitl  (cricket bat w/obsidian shards lining edge)
Atlatls (spear & large dart thrower)
Slings (STILL NOT IN THIS GAME, WTF)

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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2013, 02:50:31 PM »
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Actually, I've heard Native Americans aren't as primitive as Hollywood would have you believe
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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2013, 03:30:41 PM »
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They were more than a match for the Vikings if the sagas are anything to go by, but we'll never know for certain, hard to replicate the weapons and material culture of civilizations we know so little about, it wouldn't do them justice to only add the weapons used by post-collapse nomads.

And yeah, nearly any film with 'Native Americans' in is outright wrong xD Trouble is also that in a culture that highly valued oral tradition, and then suffered a massive population and social collapse, i dunno if even modern Native Americans know much about their physical civilizations and technology 1000 years ago.
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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2013, 12:49:28 PM »
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Totally support this idea! But we will have to mix gear of different peoples together. :(

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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2013, 03:25:56 PM »
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We would best include weapons/armor from the  Inuit, Beothuk, and Thule groups of native americans, since those were the tribes most probably in contact with the vikings of yore.

We actually DO have examples of the weapons and tools that these particular tribes used during pre-columbian times.  That's how we know that the Thule did not use the bow and arrow, but mostly lance and spear to hunt on the ice.  The Inuit did have the bow as well as other more advanced weapon technology, and that's how they drove the Thule from their place.

We could totally add a "flat bow" (american style bow), "self bow", "chert arrows", "bone lance" as well as different styles of fur robes and such to include these styles.

There's no reason not to!  Except that someone has to make the models.  If someone wants to make the models, I will write up a strong case for adding them. :)

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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2013, 11:28:18 PM »
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They should add native american gears, if someone makes the models.

NOT aztec or 19th century navajo or anything...those are too late period.

Vikings DID come into contact with native americans.  They called them "skraelings."
They were of the Inuit and Beothuk peoples, among others.  This was during the early medieval period.  Vikings had colonies in Greenland, Newfoundland, and even Maine. Greenland Vikings got their asses kicked so bad when they tried to establish a camp in "Vinland" (Newfoundland, more or less) that they only remained there about one year (or less, I don't remember exactly). They also had very bad relations with the Inuits who probably had a role in the Greenland Norse collapse, at least because the Norse didn't adapt to Greenland using Inuit techniques.

If medieval knights can fight samarai in this game by association (knights fought arabs who fought mongols who fought samarai)...then we should also have native americans by association.

It would be cool.

The Beothuk of Newfoundland:
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In any case it wouldn't be very interesting or balanced. Inuits did not use metals, and most Native peoples used mostly spears and bows when europeans had plate. The Greenland Norse were outgunned by the Inuit and Beothuk because Viking society and military power relied on iron, yet the Greenland Norse had no more metal than Inuits, except the little they got from european imports.

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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2013, 11:50:34 PM »
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In any case it wouldn't be very interesting or balanced. Inuits did not use metals, and most Native peoples used mostly spears and bows when europeans had plate. The Greenland Norse were outgunned by the Inuit and Beothuk because Viking society and military power relied on iron, yet the Greenland Norse had no more metal than Inuits, except the little they got from european imports.

Dude, you could make it interesting and balanced.  I already have ideas.  I'll give you a couple.

Bone Lance/Hunting Lance - Acts like a throwing lance.  Does a bit less damage but has 2 ammo.  If these can be used to hunt whales, surely they can be (and were) used to kill men...even with armor.

Chert Arrows - 4 cut and only 6 ammo, but it takes 0 slots.  Like a handful of arrows one could tuck into their belt for war or hunting.  Interesting 0 slot low-ammo item can open up new and interesting build possibilities perhaps without being OP.

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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2014, 01:57:06 PM »
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They should add native american gears, if someone makes the models.

NOT aztec or 19th century navajo or anything...those are too late period.

Vikings DID come into contact with native americans.  They called them "skraelings."
They were of the Inuit and Beothuk peoples, among others.  This was during the early medieval period.  Vikings had colonies in Greenland, Newfoundland, and even Maine.

If medieval knights can fight samarai in this game by association (knights fought arabs who fought mongols who fought samarai)...then we should also have native americans by association.

It would be cool.

The Beothuk of Newfoundland:
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Wait, what?
'NOT aztec or 19th century navajo or anything...those are too late period.'
But we already have conquistador helmets->Morion from renaissance era.
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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2014, 02:28:09 PM »
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Wait, what?
'NOT aztec or 19th century navajo or anything...those are too late period.'
But we already have conquistador helmets->Morion from renaissance era.

Ok, Morion was used as early as the middle 16th century (so we'll say 1550.)
Aztecs weren't encountered until the mid 1600's.  I think 1600 is the cutoff, but I'm not certain.

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Re: Adding in Asian gear but not including Native American gear
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2014, 03:56:10 PM »
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Ok, Morion was used as early as the middle 16th century (so we'll say 1550.)
Aztecs weren't encountered until the mid 1600's.  I think 1600 is the cutoff, but I'm not certain.
from wikipedia:
The Aztec /ˈæztɛk/[1] people were certain ethnic groups of central Mexico, particularly those groups who spoke the Nahuatl language and who dominated large parts of Mesoamerica from the 14th to 16th centuries.
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