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Announcements / Re: Donkey Crew is back!
« on: May 11, 2018, 05:17:17 PM »
That damn counter is still there at the top of every forum page!?

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General Off Topic / Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
« on: July 28, 2016, 04:23:58 PM »
lmao

merkel: "terrorists want to weaken our capacity to take in refugees"
That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Top tier head in the sand logic. Link to where she said this for future quoting purposes?

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General Off Topic / Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« on: July 22, 2016, 11:31:08 PM »
I think there is more probability that the police officer who shot had a reason (beside the laughing "I dont know" portrayed in the articles) than the moon being made of pudding. Equating both would be a lack of common sense.
Honestly, it's probably something as simple as that cop being scared shitless. Police are humans as well, we shouldn't forget how susceptible many of us can be to fear. He could have panicked at something stupid, even a thought, and fired as a knee-jerk reaction. This seems like the most likely case considering the baffling "I don't know" comment.

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General Off Topic / Re: Germany Train Attack
« on: July 22, 2016, 12:36:06 AM »
Reason is of course easy access to guns, of which around 75% of their homicides can be attributed to. (2012:  8,897 firearm related murders)

Now, how fucking thick you have to be, to understand that having lots and lots of guns makes it more likely to usechoose one?
More guns makes it more likely to choose to use a gun. Your argument only works in cases where no other type of weapon that is of relatively similar ease to acquire could have been used to commit the murder. Some people might just be dense, but I have a feeling they just want a solution that actually gets to the heart of the problem(why people commit murder in the first place).

It's like nerfing one handers and polearms because you can't figure out how to only nerf two-handers. Except that we're talking about people's rights, whether you think they're justified or not, it takes a lot to convince a person to give up one of their rights.

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General Off Topic / Re: Germany Train Attack
« on: July 21, 2016, 07:09:33 PM »
What you can conclude from the data is that you can't say guns are the problem and reason for the amount of homicides, and that's the point. The burden of proof is on the ones claiming that different gun laws would result in less homicides.
Again, I don't think you can conclude anything other than that the data is inconclusive. Still maintains the validity of your next point though.

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General Off Topic / Re: Germany Train Attack
« on: July 21, 2016, 06:57:50 PM »
There have been before/after "experiments" in US towns, and the results have been the same. In fact, sometimes crime and homicides increase after guns are banned. And how is it "only correlative"? The data clearly shows that guns aren't the problem by comparing states and countries with different gun laws, and finding no correlation between gun laws and amount of homicides. It's common sense, too. US has more homicides than European countries because it's a cultural melting pot, and has many ghettos.
Because 50 states and a couple dozen countries is a relatively small pool for how complex societies/communities are. There is a huge degree of variance between each state. What are the factors that allow for a community to pass gun control laws? Can both high crime and low crime + progressive population lead to gun control? I'd imagine so, but this is the type of thing that will just obscure the data. So without proper controls, you're taking a risk by drawing conclusions one way or the other from this type of data.

Regardless of whether or not this data had convinced me, you won't convince enough people for it to matter without better data because it's just too easy to imagine a scenario where if you just took a gun away from the culprit, you would have a less severe situation.

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General Off Topic / Re: Germany Train Attack
« on: July 21, 2016, 07:11:28 AM »
An entirely different subject, but it's still debatable.

http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/another-school-shooting-in-murrica-(oregon-edition)/msg1173014/#msg1173014

Demographics are the problem, not the tools used.
Not to blow that off, but I wasn't persuaded by that information the first time I saw it because it's only correlative. Show me a few studies with a before and after where basically nothing else changed, then I'll concede the point.

My stance for the US is purely pragmatic(or perhaps pessimistic). We're not going to round up all the guns and get rid of them(can't say I agree with the idea anyway), and we're not going to just resolve all the reasons why people commit homicide. Thus the simplest way to have at least a mild impact should be to better regulate who has guns. And my suggestion for how you do that, is to require gun owners to have a bi-yearly mental state examination or something of the sort. Mental health issues are viewed as a stigma in the US anyway, thus this serves two purposes for us.

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General Off Topic / Re: Germany Train Attack
« on: July 21, 2016, 03:54:27 AM »
In general I'm in favor of Gun restrictions, so I was rather surprised when I saw the 2014 Global Terrorism Index which actually breaks down weapons used in terror attacks by each region. Only 10% of terror attacks in North America and Europe involve guns. Not to mention many of these attacks would have likely just been carried out through another means. Unfortunately, it's rather hard to find an analysis that does this while also linking it to numbers of fatalities.

Of course, that's only terrorist attacks. Homicides and general gun violence is a different story altogether which, in the US's case at least, is still more than enough to warrant heavier gun restrictions. This only means terror attacks are a fairly poor reason to introduce restrictions.

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General Off Topic / Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
« on: July 20, 2016, 06:01:11 PM »
He agreed when i asked that thing B is exactly what he was saying, so clearly I read what he was actually saying better than you for me to get such succinct clarification from him.

And my preface absolutely confirms that I'm not condemning his countrymen. Butan gets it, why dont you?
Benefit of the doubt, that's why.

Carrying out an argument or conversation with people while assuming the worst about the statements of those you don't agree with is the best way to not hear their arguments. You're just sitting alone in your own sound chamber at that point. So as a matter of principle, I find it intolerable. Because regardless of what he said he meant (or if he just cba to say "no, that wasn't what I was saying" because as stated previously, he's frustrated with people not taking Muslim beliefs seriously), you still had to assume the worst prior to his clarification, for you to ramble off those two follow-up paragraphs.

So again I ask the following.

If you punish the religion you punish all of them, and that would mean punishing innocent people.
What is meant by "punish" here? Are you referring to something specific or using the term generally?

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« on: July 20, 2016, 05:33:43 PM »
You don't understand how secure those nukes are. The worst they could do is harvest the nuclear material afaik.
Likely true, although I wasn't implying anything similar to a "big red button."

So they wouldn't be able to launch them, but they'd now have the resources and the ability to reverse engineer what is now in their hands (whomever's hands that might actually end up being). Is this too no cause for concern?

Still doesn't seem like an intelligent act. If it was discovered that the US backed the coup, that fact alone would very likely strengthen support for Erdogan, thus further increasing the risk.

So you muricans are indeed paranoid conspiracy theorists. But in a retarded way.
When it comes to anything that could increase the chance of nukes falling into the hands of people that actively kill themselves for spiritual reasons? Yes. Absolutely.

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General Off Topic / Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
« on: July 20, 2016, 05:12:38 PM »
and don't you feel like a proper twat now that he's dead
DaveUKR? And by dead do you actually mean dead, or simply no longer a part of this community?

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General Off Topic / Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
« on: July 20, 2016, 04:55:12 PM »
Yes.


Do you even read? Maybe I did put the words in his mouth, but he said them and it was sufficient to get around the pages and pages of 'you say I think X! I don't think X at all' without ever stating what he does think. Well now, we have it.

As for the rest, i'll talk on Oberyn's level if I fancy. It's been allowed perfectly fine up to this point, and I'm enjoying the results.

After all, I clearly only don't have an issue with the muslims in my country because I'm afraid of causing offence (you can tell by the way I talk that causing offense deeply concerns me). And my position has never been treat everyone lovely, I've never claimed to be the nice guy in all this. My position is that we should do everything possible to punish the trash, individuals who are proven to be dangerous, breaking the law, threatening violence, whatever.

Where I'm 'radical' in defending islam, is that out of all muslims I've personally known in my country not a single one of them falls into that category. If you punish the religion you punish all of them, and that would mean punishing innocent people. I'm not down with that. This does not mean I'm a paragon of love and forgiveness, if an individual terrorist butchers civilians then hang-draw-and-quarter them in public for all I care regardless of whether he's sorry or not.

For me what this comes down to is, does any action from individuals of a religion justify punishment of everyone? I will violently defend my position that it does not, that's not how our society or our laws work.



I didn't condemn any of his countrymen for being his countrymen, I quite clearly stated that innocents should never have to suffer in situations such as these. I absolutely put thought into it as I was typing it, specifically the ways in which it could be misconstrued - since we all know these forums fairly well by now.
If someone says thing A, then you interpret it as thing B and ask if he said thing B, he didn't say it until you put the words in his mouth. So yes, I read that more accurately than you did.

Just because you preface a shitty statement with "innocents should never have to suffer" doesn't mean you now have the moral high-ground. That's equivalent to the "I'm not a racist but" speech.

"If you punish the religion you punish all of them, and that would mean punishing innocent people."
What is meant by "punish" here? Are you referring to something specific or using the term generally?

I think he doesn't mind. After all he doesn't mind that Panos is happy because of death of 200 frenchmen.
Irrelevant to the point I was making though.

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General Off Topic / Re: Turkey coup d'etat
« on: July 20, 2016, 04:38:43 PM »
Since the US has nukes in Turkey, I highly doubt there is any possibility to a US-backed coup. That would be so stupidly irresponsible... Imagine this actually getting found out 1 day later, what would have happened? Those nukes sure as shit wouldn't be safe. Would the US hand them over? Turkey would almost certainly see the backing of the coup as a declaration of war and would thus focus its attention on the US base. So what's the US do? Hand the Nukes over to a country they would now likely be at war with?

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General Off Topic / Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
« on: July 20, 2016, 04:18:55 PM »
Heh, I think Oberyn can take the insults, its not like he is shy or anything.
If it were as simple as only insulting Oberyn, I wouldn't have anything to say on the topic. By all means, go at Oberyn. Condemning random countrymen of his simply because they're his countrymen though? Maybe heskey meant it, maybe he didn't, maybe he just didn't think about what he was saying. I know another person who seems to not always think about everything he says too.

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General Off Topic / Re: LIVE YOUR MYTH IN FRANCE.
« on: July 20, 2016, 04:07:46 PM »
Wow this shit deteriorated pretty damn quick.

So Overdriven is trash because he's a muslim. Well you're a cowardly surrender-happy Frenchman, no wonder you cant cope with immigration or anything that requires a couple of testicles to contend with. You've been wanting to 'surrender' the refugee crisis since day 1 xD so roll over and get fucked by more islamists, you are French after all so at least you're playing to type.

Unlike Overdriven who has displayed none of these qualities you hate him so rationally for as a muslim. You are truly the most retarded, braindead, backwards piece of shit on this forum, and although innocent people should never have to suffer I am personally glad that it is your country that is being fucked right now, it is poetic justice to watch you splutter and attempt to seem more outraged after each attack, when you've already proven yourself to be a joke blowing your load over menial shit in the past. If you get as angry over Krems trolling as you do over 100s dead in your country, you know you're retarded. And no matter how hard you stomp your feet, or that vein in your forehead throbs, you cant rage harder than you already were long before any attacks. But by all means, keep trying to pretend that these attacks have given you a more radical perspective, if nothing else then for my singular pleasure.
Barring the harsh language used (though he didn't say overdriven was trash, nor did he attack HIM necessarily until you put the words in his mouth), everything Oberyn said about what Muslims produce nowadays is true. Once the heart of science and discovery, now is promissory of diminutive scientific influence. 1.3-1.6 billion Muslims, two Nobel Prizes in science. Had the rise of anti-rationalism never taken hold in the Muslim world and influenced Islam so heavily, perhaps half(or more) could be attributed to Muslims nowadays.

The language you're using heskey is pretty damn vitriolic and purely out of spite, you're no better and likely worse than he is. Something like "although innocent people should never have to suffer I am personally glad that it is your country that is being fucked right now" is pretty damn grotesque if you stop to think about what you're actually saying here. One second you're saying innocents shouldn't suffer and the next you're saying you're glad they're suffering because they're Oberyn's countrymen? That's pretty gross.

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