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I meant what I said, my beef is people increasingly using the term "equal opportunity" when what they're talking about is clearly equal outcome. I used quotations to convey sass.

It's the most pointless thing in the world unless you care so much that you actually use your power in the real world to further your ideals.

Agreed. That's why I struggle to understand firebrands who shout (online) about apocalyptic threats to society or ways of life, or their physical person and how nobody is doing anything and therefore everything is doomed. Surely if they believe even half of what they're saying they'd take some form of action.

I think Torben has a point and I assume people use the forum to say things they wished they could say IRL, or as an outlet for arguments they don't get an opportunity to have IRL. Why would anyone come here to this particular forum to push a position that they have a meaningful interaction with in the real world?

Exception I can see would be if you care about something but your ideal is already the dominant one, since there'd be no value in you getting out in the real world actively furthering that ideal (let the social warriors and doomsayers do that). You can still care about the issue, but there's really no burden on you to push it further since you aren't clamouring for the world to be changed around you.

Ofcourse im invested in this left/right political discussion. It has turned into one of the biggest rifts between Westerners to date and its growing rapidly. Each year both sides seem to radicalize larger and larger masses to their cause. Personally I think its too late to stop it now. This is going to end in wars.

Honest question, is it really growing worse now than ever before? Or are people just angrier on the internet? There are physical rallies, even sometimes violent ones, but are they really worse now than before?

All we need is some good old-fashioned brainwashing in each country in the West and we'll be good again. Either some good old-fashioned Jesus, or trick every country into believing they've won the World Cup and repeat that every couple of years.

Interesting question good sir.

Just last night me and me mates were drinking tea and discussing the bullshittery of how "equal opportunity" is used these days (we must hire 50% women and x% of every background regardless of merit, etc). I'm fairly outspoken about stuff like this, it has the potential to impact me + future kids (and more importantly it triggers me cos that's not what the words mean!!!) and I believe it's not a lost cause it's a growing view that can still be challenged and pushed back, so I see it as worthwhile to 'care' and make an effort.

"leftist" and "rightist" and other such delicious internet words don't really appear during IRL discussions, not really useful. If it impacts me or people I know or has the potential to then I 'care', and if I believe there's anything small I can do i'll generally try, even if it's talking about it sanely to the people around me (prefer it to the throthing-at-the-mouth approach). But that's all IRL.

On the internet it's never really about the subject (politics, history, whatever), every discussion will end the same way and we know it, it's just sparring for the joy of it. Anyone wants to trigger me easily, just pick a thread at random, pick an argument at random and just start misquoting things, contradicting yourself, abusing innocent data and you're guaranteed to summon me if i'm reading the forum.

Finally make Heskey global head admin.

None of you could ever guess what i'd do with such power.

But Random Turk is the king in the north, and I will serve him from this day until my last day.

Diplomacy / Re: Knightmare, prepare to get JELKED
« on: July 12, 2018, 01:26:16 PM »
Is the red haired guy with the big bicep Rando?

That's a hat

General Discussion / Re: Leshma's change in posts over 7 years.
« on: July 12, 2018, 12:57:46 PM »
yo but crpg and the forum does kinda change you.  Or mayhaps only those people stick with the forum that degenerate in the same pace as the community does.

Forum forces you into a kinda caricature of your own ideals, irl i'm fairly conservative but on this forum I'm obviously less conservative than say Oberyn, therefore on this forum I represent 'the left' (somehow), therefore that's the side of the argument I find myself on each time.

It's kinda funny that when I have months of absence from the forums I usually come back more conservative each time because I don't spend every day arguing with ultra-conservatives unless I'm here. Just as an example. Wonder if anyone else finds themselves in similar situations on this forum?

Random Turk avenged the Krems Admin, he is the badmin, the King in the North!

I came back to this forum to pledge House Heskey to House Random-Turk for Global Head Admin, and not because I'm hungover and had the day off work and is sad because the football.

Announcements / Re: Donkey Crew is back!
« on: July 12, 2018, 12:36:16 PM »
Will there be control on the main menu?

General Off Topic / Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« on: May 02, 2018, 07:51:03 PM »
Do you think the 3 first months of life of those newborns were enough for social conditioning to explain the results, or don't you? This isn't a hard question. Saying "URRRRH 3 MONTHS IS NOT NEWBORN" doesn't say anything, and it most certainly isn't "the opposite" of saying these are inherent, biological, instinctual mechanisms. Of course you'd portray it that way, because you're a disengenuous bundle of sticks pouncing on unexact phrasing as if it was a life jacket, completely avoiding the actual question.

It's a real easy question if I'm simply going to quote a piece of text to try and make myself look intelligent then make an unsupported claim off the back of it. So easy an idiot could do it. In fact a few pages back I think one did.

Saying "URRRRH 3 MONTHS IS NOT NEWBORN" doesn't say anything

Good thing I didnt say that then, eh champ? Then again, today isn't really the day for me to assume high confidence in your ability to actually read something before quoting and responding to it. Hence your inclusion of the previous article.

I have no horse in the race when it comes to this actual debate, why don't you grab a 1-day-old baby and a 3-month-old baby and ask them? (You can save time by pretending the 1-day-old said the same thing as the 3-month-old and build an argument around it, thank me later).

Good effort trying to change the subject away from your reading comprehension and unfortunate choice of sources though. You did mention clutching for a life jacket? "HURR DURR, I RANDOMLY POSTED A WALL OF EXTRACTS WITHOUT READING THEM AND USED IT AS EVIDENCE FOR AN OPPOSING ARGUMENT?!?! YEAH!?!?! WELL... WHY DONT YOU TRY HAVING AN OPINION?!?! I BET IT'S DUMB!!!!"

General Off Topic / Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« on: May 02, 2018, 05:50:41 PM »
Is a 3 month old conceivably a newborn? That's some nice talmudic legalism, Heskey. Are you a lawyer? I notice you still make no claim on whether it is a socially constructed or biologically inherent mechanism.

Devoid of all context a 3 month old is newly born.

In the context that I'm quoting a book which talks about 2 opposite outcomes between "newborn" and "3 month old" babies, it is dishonest/incorrect to take her conclusion for "3 month old" babies and apply it to "newborn" babies as a sweeping statement. In that case, either deliberately or through being dense, you've concluded the opposite of what the book your quoting stated.

If you want to make that excuse, don't use the exact same terminology as the source material but in the incorrect place.

Add to this that the assumption derived from her statement about 3 month olds, was then pitched as a trait we are born with rather than something we learn from our surroundings. Which goes even further counter to her statement.

Why would my claim/personal-belief have any bearing on the fact Chua says one thing whilst you and the article-writer say something different whilst attempting to quote her book for a sense of legitimacy. I just wanted to drop that nugget in passing but you decided to argue the toss and pretend what you said was consistent with her extract. I'd guess from the number of times you tried to change the subject that even you don't believe that's the case. I work in Tech btw.

General Off Topic / Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« on: May 02, 2018, 05:23:02 PM »
Nah man, that statement is 100% supported by the extract from Chua's book.

But why did you choose a different statement to quote?

First, here's you saying the opposite of the extract:

it says that it's absolutely not "socially constructed"

And here's Funzo going to town:
Quote from:  Actual Extract
Newborns shown images of people’s faces do not respond differently based on race
Quote from:  Expert Journalism
neuroscientists have identified tribalist instincts in the brains of newborns

That's some expect analysis. I can see why you have such scorn for professional journalistic standards, these online articles are much better. Really telling it the way it is.

General Off Topic / Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« on: May 02, 2018, 04:49:23 PM »
They quoted a paragraph then proceeded to state the opposite below and built an argument based on that.

Surprised you need to be told that if they've misinterpreted part of the book they quoted, then by definition they have misinterpreted part of the book. Why would I need to have read the rest of the book to see that they have chosen excerpts that don't support their own argument?

Or were you too busy blindly guzzling it up and incorporating it into your own argument without even reading it?

And you're still arguing the toss about my own 'subjective interpretation'? She stated clear as day that new-born babies show no bias, only months later do they show a preference. Captain Fun in the article and you in your post then go off on one about how this bias is something people are born with and are thus proven to not be learned traits. Lul, post-facts Oberyn showing us all how it's done.

General Off Topic / Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« on: May 02, 2018, 03:59:33 PM »
Any debate on the extent of interracial coupling throughout history hinges entirely on how little of a shit you give about all the instances that happened over the last X thousand years where the coupling wasnt straight-black/straight-white.

Anyone that's genuinely interested in the picture of historic movements of people might be happy that the science of looking at ancient DNA to identify population movement has come a long way compared to where we were even 5 years ago. 2018's been a particularly good year for it.

But I assume this forum only counts subsaharan Africans mingling with Northern Europeans as 'interracial' and that the tangent about tribalism was only ever meant to take this extremely narrow definition into account. Because everyone knows tribalism only ever applies to people from opposite sides of the world.

Good, you might learn something, but I doubt it.

Maybe you should read it too? Get this:
You'd learn more than just reading a couple of extracts and some zany internet personality's failed attempts to interpret them in an online article. Don’t get me wrong: I hope Amy Chua is right about this! You might stop misunderstanding the source material so much, but Captain Zany's probably easier to read for your level. Come on, seriously, think about it!

I hope my attempts to make my post more palatable for you are appreciated. Wowza!

General Off Topic / Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« on: May 02, 2018, 02:23:35 PM »
I dunno enough about the article (aside from it being written by and for conservatives that see standard conservatism as too mainstream) to know if it's worth a damn

Ok I've been reading it and I've made up my mind.

Come on, seriously, think about it.
She talks about the economic and cultural clash between white coastal elites and whites in the heartland. Get this:
Don’t get me wrong: I hope Amy Chua is right about this!

Oh man, so naturalistic! This guy sounds like he wants to buy me a drink! Thank god he's not mainstream media.

For all its garbage fluff and misinterpretation of the source material, the article did something right at least. I might actually read "Political Tribes: Group Instinct And The Fate Of Nations" since the excepts were interesting. Too bad the article about the book reads like a 14 year old trying to make his classroom presentation sound interesting.

General Off Topic / Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« on: May 02, 2018, 02:03:35 PM »
Sure, but if the "newborn" baby has been alive for 3 months, is it not safe to assume that it might have developed preferences during its lifetime? I.e if the baby have mostly been around its caucasian parents. A day one study would be much more interesting.

"The neurological processes of in-group recognition and favoritism start extremely early. Newborns shown images of people's faces do not respond differently based on race. But as early as three months later, in Yale psychologist Paul Bloom's words, "Caucasian babies prefer to look at Caucasian faces, as opposed to African or Chinese faces; Ethiopian babies prefer to look at Ethiopian faces rather than Caucasian faces; Chinese babies babies prefer to look at Chinese faces rather than Caucasian or African faces."

Yes, it says that it's absolutely not "socially constructed".

I dunno enough about the article (aside from it being written by and for conservatives that see standard conservatism as too mainstream) to know if it's worth a damn. So don't see this as me agreeing or disagreeing with the content. But do see this as me pointing out that your own source seems to contradict your own argument.

General Off Topic / Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« on: May 01, 2018, 01:26:16 PM »
Take the time to check this out.

Please donate as well, hopefully it will have a big impact on swedish society, the same way "Hjernevask" had for Norway. It will feature english subtitles etc and there are big names featuring.

for scandinavians:

I found a grammatical error on the indiegogo page for this Swedish documentary written in my language.

Globalisation has failed, abort.

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