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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2017, 02:59:23 PM »
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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2017, 03:43:39 PM »
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What do you mean by "distinguish yourself from others"? Why would you want to distinguish yourself from others?

And you feel uncomfortable because you've been conditioned to be a wage slave since you could talk.

Money is artificial and when AI and robots are producing more than we can consume (post-scarcity economy) there's no reason not to give it out for free.

A scientist is different of a lumberjack. Our experiences shape us, idleness can't bring us anything good if we aren't doing something of our lives on the side. It's not about being a wage slave, it's about doing something I'd love to do, as Ikarus said earlier.

"there's no reason not to give it out for free."

You're right about money, I wasn't questioning that, I'm questioning idleness itself, and the (in)ability of people to gain more than the standard revenue by taking risks (machines will do it), exercising a job related to producing very high-precision/quality stuff (jobs taken by machines), and so on. I don't think pure communism wage-wise would solve anything, since we, by nature, want always more. I can't see a society like this one working, yet it's coming in 30 years or so (estimated that a large chunk of jobs will be destroyed in that period of time thanks to automation), not with a fully fleshed-out AI, but with sufficient abilities at one task to be able to take the job of a human person. It's also disheartening that most of what we're learning today will be completely useless in the (relatively) near future.

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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2017, 04:13:03 PM »
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A world where nobody needs to work. And a world where majority of people are unemployed. These are two different things.

Most countries in the world are already laying down legislation for 'human quotas' in the workplace - that should tell you everything you need to know about which of the above scenarios we're going to end up with. The same global population (or higher) but X% fewer jobs for humans depending on how generous the 'human quota' in the workplace is.

The governments of the world arent just going to abolish currency or share it equally amongst all citizens just because AI has suddenly become viable. If your job gets replaced by a machine, society's going to expect you to somehow find a new one or enjoy living on benefits (I hope your country is generous with them).
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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2017, 06:18:12 PM »
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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2017, 07:16:37 PM »
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Wonder how i'll get money, or do the machines herald an age of pure communism?
From the government. Universal basic income.

It's also disheartening that most of what we're learning today will be completely useless in the (relatively) near future.
That's the real kicker, isn't it? A lot of people - most, maybe - will have spent their entire adult lives learning and doing something that suddenly becomes entirely obsolete. Then they'll have the qualifications to work at Mickey D's -- except that'll probably be automated too.
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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2017, 08:54:13 PM »
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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2017, 02:06:50 AM »
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This thread is gay and even Xant knew it in 2017

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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2017, 08:37:42 PM »
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"Hobbies" can push you as far as a job. Why couldn't they? That makes no sense. Show some scientific backing for this absurd claim.

A lot of people just lack the dedication, there has to be something that pushes you to your goal, unless you got lots of willpower.

But I´m curious now: What´s your idea of "based" living? How do you spend your life?
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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2017, 12:18:57 AM »
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A lot of people just lack the dedication, there has to be something that pushes you to your goal, unless you got lots of willpower.

But I´m curious now: What´s your idea of "based" living? How do you spend your life?
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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2017, 12:30:09 AM »
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A lot of people just lack the dedication, there has to be something that pushes you to your goal, unless you got lots of willpower.

A lot of people lack intrinsic motivation?
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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2017, 12:31:40 AM »
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I think we will need space-communism in the future. Earth can settle for a barter/trade diablo 2 economy, noone will want money anymore when everyone has it.

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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2017, 01:12:16 AM »
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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2017, 02:04:52 AM »
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Doing whatever I like.
I rest my case.
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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2017, 04:50:33 AM »
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I rest my case.
Was your case that not everyone is as dumb as you, i.e., doesn't need to be forced to work to find things to do? If so, you made your case well.
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Re: Working is gay and even Russel knew it in 1932
« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2017, 01:32:36 PM »
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If most governments in the world implement 'human quotas' in the workplace like they're already talking about (as a feeble attempt to maintain the status quo), then Xant if your job gets replaced by AI you'll simply be unemployed. Your 'Universal basic income' will just be job-seeker benefits if your country has those.

If that's all you need in order to do whatever you want, why dont you stop working and just start living on those sweet benefits now?
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