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Title: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Xant on August 15, 2017, 11:28:39 PM
Watching the American mainstream media conduct a 24/7 smear campaign against Trump (with constant front page "opinion pieces" that are openly hostile and ridiculing, but of course merely "opinions of the writer" and have nothing to do with the hosting news org that only hosts opinions that disparage Trump) has been somewhat amusing, but Jesus Christ, this Charlottesville case is especially egregious.

They're actually going full retard because Trump says that the BLM/Antifa/etc alt-left orgs that went to the protest, as they go to all protests, wearing masks, helmets, pepper spray and baseball bats were also bad. I can barely believe they've managed to sustain a narrative so detached from facts for so long -- there hasn't been a single peep about the alt-left's antics on most MSM sites, while they demand that Trump ONLY condemns the alt-right. Yeah, one of them drove into a crowd which was bad and should be condemned, like it was, but that doesn't mean the rest of them are any worse than the alt-left. Which is apparently super hard to understand.

Despite, y'know, them not saying anything when Obama refused to condemn the entire #BLM when their members went on cute little cop killing sprees.

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Speaking rhetorically, Trump asked reporters whether George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, both slave owners, should suffer the same fate and have their statues removed. “You're changing history; you're changing culture,” he said.

Trump reiterated his condemnation of chocolate chip cookies and other white supremacists. But he also made clear that he believed that some of the counterprotesters were armed and took aggressive actions that helped spark the violence.

“What about the alt-left that came charging at the alt-right — do they have any semblance of guilt?” Trump said. “They came charging, clubs in hand, swinging clubs.”

Almost like he's making sense, but CNN is twisting his words to be bad as we speak.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Xant on August 15, 2017, 11:35:37 PM
The same people being outraged about these protesters were, just a few days ago, calling James Damore a nazi for quoting science, and saying how he needs to be assaulted for having a scientific opinion. And they're too fucking dumb to see the hypocrisy.

While I'm venting, I'd like to point out the fact that CNN had a little mini-interview with Damore today. It included this hilarious little bit:

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Damore's post claimed that women aren't suited for tech jobs for "biological" reasons. Men have a "higher drive for status," and women have higher rates of anxiety disorders -- making for "lower numbers of women in high stress jobs."

I mean, really? Talk about intellectual dishonesty AND inability at the same time. They had Damore on the line, they could've asked him if that's what his article said, if they're too fucking lazy to read it for themselves -- but wait, they apparently did. The next sentence quotes the memo, and says, "making for lower number of women in high stress jobs."

And this, evidently, they took to mean "Damore claims women are biologically unsuited for tech jobs." How the fuck are these people journalists with the reading comprehension of a four year old?
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Xant on August 15, 2017, 11:59:20 PM
https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/897555155490492416

The replies are enlightening
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on August 16, 2017, 12:17:36 AM
Every single one of those bundle of stickss bringing up WW2 and the "Greatest Generation" would immediately turn around and call those men racist white supremacists in any other context. After all, they were white and american before the 1960's, they are absolutely evil and when the last of them dies it will be a turning of the page on an unjust time of american history.

Oh look, from late 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/11/museum-natural-history-theodore-roosevelt-statue-protest

Remove Roosevelt cause racist REEEEE. This has been happening for close to two decades now, largely in american universities, started to really hit the mainstream a few years ago. Postmodernist cryptomarxists calling for the removal of "racist" monuments. Can't wait until they dynamite Mount Rushmore, truly the most evil and racist thing to ever exist. After all it was a mountain sacred to a native american tribe, and carved by white supremacists, only by erasing this awful act can we move on to a more just society.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Gravoth_iii on August 16, 2017, 05:01:55 AM
https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/897555155490492416

The replies are enlightening

Pls dont post stuff like this as i cant resist clicking. How in, what, why?! He said he thinks both sides inciting violence are to blame, how the fuck do people think this to be him saying that he supports the alt right?
DUHNLD GHRUMP!!! 2 SCOOPS!?!
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: dagu807 on August 16, 2017, 09:55:30 AM
https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/897555155490492416

The replies are enlightening
dang...
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on August 16, 2017, 10:28:06 AM
Every single one of those bundle of stickss bringing up WW2 and the "Greatest Generation" would immediately turn around and call those men racist white supremacists in any other context. After all, they were white and american before the 1960's, they are absolutely evil and when the last of them dies it will be a turning of the page on an unjust time of american history.

Oh look, from late 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/11/museum-natural-history-theodore-roosevelt-statue-protest

Remove Roosevelt cause racist REEEEE. This has been happening for close to two decades now, largely in american universities, started to really hit the mainstream a few years ago. Postmodernist cryptomarxists calling for the removal of "racist" monuments. Can't wait until they dynamite Mount Rushmore, truly the most evil and racist thing to ever exist. After all it was a mountain sacred to a native american tribe, and carved by white supremacists, only by erasing this awful act can we move on to a more just society.

Their overreaction and hysterical play acting is just a cover up for their failed political agendas. They need something else to be outraged over after the fake Russian hacking stories.

http://abc7chicago.com/9-dead-30-wounded-in-weekend-shootings-across-chicago/2305976/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowds_on_Demand

Alot of them are actually paid actors you see in these "protests"

I doubt many of them would even know who Roosevelt was if you asked them tbh

Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: dagu807 on August 16, 2017, 10:47:31 AM
Their overreaction and hysterical play acting is just a cover up for their failed political agendas. They need something else to be outraged over after the fake Russian hacking stories.

http://abc7chicago.com/9-dead-30-wounded-in-weekend-shootings-across-chicago/2305976/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowds_on_Demand

Alot of them are actually paid actors you see in these "protests"

I doubt many of them would even know who Roosevelt was if you asked them tbh

Just like ANTIFA here.
All paid by parties, yet most of them are still living with mama and jobless.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on August 16, 2017, 10:56:48 AM
Just like ANTIFA here.
All paid by parties, yet most of them are still living with mama and jobless.

They get especially angry when people refuse to see them as the "superheroes that are standing up against Nazziis" when in reality they are just trouble-making attention whores who are just as bad and dangerous. 
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Vibe on August 16, 2017, 11:01:37 AM
not necessarily connected but somewhat relatable because video games

"Blizzard is doubling down on diversity and inclusion when it comes to its own hiring practices.

That’s according to a leaked internal memo from Blizzard President Mike Morhaime, which Kotaku excerpted in a report last night. Morhaime is apparently spearheading a “global diversity and inclusion initiative” intended to spur on the hiring of underrepresented people inside the company — specifically women, who make up only a fifth of employees, and other minority groups, who make up only 14%."


 :lol:
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: dagu807 on August 16, 2017, 11:05:46 AM
not necessarily connected but somewhat relatable because video games

"Blizzard is doubling down on diversity and inclusion when it comes to its own hiring practices.

That’s according to a leaked internal memo from Blizzard President Mike Morhaime, which Kotaku excerpted in a report last night. Morhaime is apparently spearheading a “global diversity and inclusion initiative” intended to spur on the hiring of underrepresented people inside the company — specifically women, who make up only a fifth of employees, and other minority groups, who make up only 14%."


 :lol:

Women and muh minorities at work :rolleyes:
When will we have a transgender character in WoW? Eqwahleteh demands it after all!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: IR_Kuoin on August 16, 2017, 11:15:23 AM
When you show up to march with communists and fail to dodge a Dodge Challenger :lol:
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on August 16, 2017, 11:25:30 AM
not necessarily connected but somewhat relatable because video games

"Blizzard is doubling down on diversity and inclusion when it comes to its own hiring practices.

That’s according to a leaked internal memo from Blizzard President Mike Morhaime, which Kotaku excerpted in a report last night. Morhaime is apparently spearheading a “global diversity and inclusion initiative” intended to spur on the hiring of underrepresented people inside the company — specifically women, who make up only a fifth of employees, and other minority groups, who make up only 14%."


 :lol:

Hiring employees on the basis of their skills and abilities is so overrated and 2012.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: dagu807 on August 16, 2017, 11:38:53 AM
Hiring employees on the basis of their skills and abilities is so overrated and 2012.
I agree.
We have to get with the times, it is 2017 after all!
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Paul on August 16, 2017, 01:05:25 PM
So who of you has a job?
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on August 16, 2017, 01:22:55 PM
Paul is a jewish disabled black woman.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Vibe on August 16, 2017, 02:04:12 PM
have had one for 5+ years
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on August 16, 2017, 02:10:07 PM
Lol Vibe, actually engaging Paul in discussion. You should know by now his M.O is to drop non-sequitur one liners and never, ever engage in any sort of debate, arguement or discussion.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Vibe on August 16, 2017, 02:12:40 PM
paul pls respond
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2017, 02:23:47 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/trump-news-conference-twitter/index.html

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But ultimately, Tuesday's stunning appearance will be remembered for the sentiments that passed the lips of a President of the United States.

In the long and tortured history of a nation still trying to work through its complicated story on race, Trump's meltdown will stand out, as a moment ripped from the darkest pages of history and transposed into the 21st Century.

The stunning appearance where Trump condemned neo-chocolate chip cookies and said that the violent alt-left orgs are also bad.

A moment ripped from the darkest pages of history and transposed into the 21st Century indeed.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Gravoth_iii on August 16, 2017, 04:05:28 PM
To be reduced down to your disabilities or your ethicity and hired based on that, man thats is pretty damn racist and offensive if you ask me.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: dagu807 on August 16, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/trump-news-conference-twitter/index.html

The stunning appearance where Trump condemned neo-chocolate chip cookies and said that the violent alt-left orgs are also bad.

A moment ripped from the darkest pages of history and transposed into the 21st Century indeed.
I literally can't even just right now.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Paul on August 16, 2017, 04:13:26 PM
paul pls respond
sry i was working. fucking exposition deadlines killing me. tfw working 8-2-8 while others enrich the forum with intellectual masterpieces. can't compete because too stupid and employed.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on August 16, 2017, 04:17:10 PM
Paul so busy working and contributing to society he has been unable to formulate a coherent arguement on these forums for the past decade or so. Yeah Paul you're so fucking superior, I'm sorry I ever assumed you would deign to lower yourself down to discussion with these lesser subhumans who are clearly all shutin n33ts with no jobs. Whatever you have to tell yourself lol.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Jona on August 16, 2017, 04:18:50 PM
Hiring employees on the basis of their skills and abilities is so overrated and 2012.

If Blizzard has their way, soon the job market is gonna be just like getting into colleges... where being white was a drawback. Twas the first time in many of our lives we whites felt discriminated against.  :cry:
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Paul on August 16, 2017, 04:19:50 PM
Paul so busy working and contributing to society he has been unable to formulate a coherent arguement on these forums for the past decade or so. Yeah Paul you're so fucking superior, I'm sorry I ever assumed you would deign to lower yourself down to discussion with these lesser subhumans who are clearly all shutin n33ts with no jobs. Whatever you have to tell yourself lol.

apology accepted
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2017, 05:08:00 PM
Paul is gay
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on August 16, 2017, 05:10:27 PM
Lol at engaging Paul in discussion.

Well played, should've heeded my own advice. Poor Paul, his hectic 8-to-8 work schedule precludes any sort of discussion, but somehow allows time to code a niche submod of a niche mod of a niche game.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: dagu807 on August 16, 2017, 05:19:07 PM
Well played, should've heeded my own advice. Poor Paul, his hectic 8-to-8 work schedule precludes any sort of discussion, but somehow allows time to code a niche submod of a niche mod of a niche game.
8-to-8?
Why would someone do that to himself, even if trying to feed a family?
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Paul on August 16, 2017, 05:56:55 PM
I'm German. Arbeit macht frei. It's just for a week or two and I get extra money.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Umbra on August 16, 2017, 06:41:37 PM
Feelz > realz. Haven't you gotten the memo by now?
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on August 17, 2017, 05:23:38 AM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Vibe on August 17, 2017, 11:45:29 AM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Asheram on September 12, 2017, 12:52:50 AM
Damn Trump wasted a pardon on this scumbag ouch.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on September 12, 2017, 02:18:51 AM
Damn Trump wasted a pardon on this scumbag ouch.

John Oliver is an insufferable shill.

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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Asheram on September 12, 2017, 02:33:44 AM
Even so it doesn't change the fact. Alot of controversy over how dirty this guy is and its not even a clouded subject. Pardons are not for someones life that might actually be innocent held in the balance situations anymore?
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on September 12, 2017, 02:50:48 AM
Even so it doesn't change the fact. Alot of controversy over how dirty this guy is and its not even a clouded subject. Pardons are not for someones life that might actually be innocent held in the balance situations anymore?

Democrat officials were trying to prevent the Arizona Police from doing their job. If someone didn't have a driver's license the Arizona Police would check further to see if they were actually citizens and if not they would turn them over to immigration officials to be deported, the Democrat Judge considers that "illegal racial profiling" and tried to stop the Police, Arpaio refused to comply.

Trump did the right thing imo. It's the judge who should be in jail.

As for the prisoner camp situation, the State prisons wouldn't be nearly as overcrowded if it weren't for Democrat party officials stopping authorities from fighting illegal immigration. Prison's are designed and expanded around population counts and statistics, we all know Texas, California and Arizona harbors millions of illegals, this is why they their accommodations are way off and they have to resort to outdoor camps, more unseen consequences of the left wing open border policies.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Asheram on September 12, 2017, 03:23:36 AM
Apparently you didn't actually listen as he wasn't ruling a prison but a county jail, so cameras in womans bathrooms for sentences under a year and even some just waiting for trial is ok, glad I dont live in arizona, I used to. The most interesting thing I didn't hear here was him being caught with a trunk full of cash trying to cross the border into mexico a few years back. This really isn't pardon worthy.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on September 12, 2017, 04:32:37 AM
Apparently you didn't actually listen as he wasn't ruling a prison but a county jail, so cameras in womans bathrooms for sentences under a year and even some just waiting for trial is ok, glad I dont live in arizona, I used to. The most interesting thing I didn't hear here was him being caught with a trunk full of cash trying to cross the border into mexico a few years back. This really isn't pardon worthy.

And if that's true than that says something about the officials there, that they won't fight half as hard for the rights of legal US citizens as they will for illegal aliens. Sounds like a great state to live in.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Asheram on September 12, 2017, 05:23:45 AM
And if that's true than that says something about the officials there, that they won't fight half as hard for the rights of legal US citizens as they will for illegal aliens. Sounds like a great state to live in.
You should move there. You could  get good buddies with officer who gives a fuck and officer who cares. Not my reference but the reference of the 2 officers that choked and beat an inmate to death.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Paul on September 12, 2017, 05:39:11 AM
Lovin' that he fights tooth and nail to defend a literal A-team villain.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on September 12, 2017, 06:07:46 AM
You should move there. You could  get good buddies with officer who gives a fuck and officer who cares. Not my reference but the reference of the 2 officers that choked and beat an inmate to death.

Seems like another bogus political witch hunt to me. They only decide to prosecute him when he refuses to abide by their controversial political stance on open borders...  but not when he supposedly committed all these other horrible acts..?? :rolleyes:

Surely if he was such a bad person and ran a bad operation for that long he would have been charged with more than just contempt.. which only carries a 6 month sentence, this is just more fake news and sensational garbage.

Feelz > realz. Haven't you gotten the memo by now?

They sure do know how to stir up people's fee fee's now.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Torben on September 12, 2017, 10:16:05 AM
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this is gold :'D
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Ikarus on September 12, 2017, 11:05:22 AM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Torben on September 12, 2017, 11:33:04 AM
gdamn shes ugly.  one reason to keep burkas
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 12, 2017, 12:12:52 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 12, 2017, 01:20:50 PM
Here is the french version. Could probably make a turk one for Germany as well. Or a paki one for Britain, etc. It's mostly the same story all over the West.

https://postimg.org/image/kwp93pvid/
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: njames89 on September 12, 2017, 02:01:40 PM
what is the name of this meme
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Drunken_sailor on September 12, 2017, 02:53:15 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 12, 2017, 06:15:19 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Drunken_sailor on September 12, 2017, 07:11:01 PM
of the 117,640 white people raped in 2008 74.9% was by other white people, 16.4% was by black people, with 5.9% unknown and 2.8% other.

of the  46,580 black people raped in 2008 0% whites, 74.8 % black, 24.8% unknown.  that doesn't mean that 0 white people did it, that means that in 11,551 cases color wasn't reported or wasn't determinable.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus08.pdf

table 42.  many of those sample sizes are based of 10 or fewer cases including the perceived race against of the offender against black people.

it also includes verbal threats of rape

but sure you can cherry pick statistics to satisfy your racist agenda bro.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 12, 2017, 07:17:22 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 12, 2017, 07:19:23 PM
Sure brah, black people in the US aren't overrepresented in every single violent crime, it's just racist agendas that make it seem that way. You apparently understand how statistics work, but you're still a blind retard, sad

Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: njames89 on September 12, 2017, 07:19:55 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 12, 2017, 07:28:13 PM
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: njames89 on September 12, 2017, 07:42:54 PM
JRE Episode #911 is a masterpiece. It just has a little too much eddie bravo chemtrails conspiracy in it. Other than that its a work of art.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on September 12, 2017, 08:12:36 PM
Sure brah, black people in the US aren't overrepresented in every single violent crime, it's just racist agendas that make it seem that way. You apparently understand how statistics work, but you're still a blind retard, sad



Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Drunken_sailor on September 12, 2017, 08:18:03 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: njames89 on September 12, 2017, 08:20:29 PM
Thank the lord there are good people out there fighting to stop horrible things like this from happening.

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God bless them truly
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Asheram on September 12, 2017, 08:40:01 PM
They are doing the Lord's work.
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on September 12, 2017, 08:42:18 PM

Feelz>Realz


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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 12, 2017, 08:47:32 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on September 12, 2017, 08:49:58 PM
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http://abc7chicago.com/5-killed-31-wounded-in-chicago-weekend-shootings/2403225/



Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 12, 2017, 08:53:06 PM
To stay at least somewhat relevant to the thread:

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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on September 12, 2017, 09:00:06 PM
To stay at least somewhat relevant to the thread:


statistics are racist, you shouldn't be looking at those, i'm calling the feelz police

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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on September 12, 2017, 09:18:23 PM
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We need more fb tier cringe virtue signalling and false equivalencies in the Trump fake news thread. You're getting boring sailor.

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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Drunken_sailor on September 12, 2017, 09:34:41 PM
oh shit my bad
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Xant on September 12, 2017, 09:38:20 PM

of the  46,580 black people raped in 2008 0% whites, 74.8 % black, 24.8% unknown.  that doesn't mean that 0 white people did it, that means that in 11,551 cases color wasn't reported or wasn't determinable.
>what is statistics
>how do representative samples work
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Drunken_sailor on September 12, 2017, 09:42:10 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Angantyr on September 12, 2017, 10:00:28 PM
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 12, 2017, 10:28:22 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Drunken_sailor on September 12, 2017, 10:38:17 PM
this is now a chomsky vs fake news thread

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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Angantyr on September 12, 2017, 10:41:04 PM

Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 12, 2017, 10:49:20 PM
Lol fucking Chomsky is a communist dicksucker who is routinely trotted out by regressive media when they need someone to praise communists. Yeah poor Chile was just completely destroyed by Pinochet, if Allende had remained and implemented his alliance with the USSR and insane command economy I'm sure it would be a prosperous paradise, and not the hellhole it currently is.

Oh wait what Chile is the most prosperous, rich and up in HDI country in South America? Godamn you, Pinochet! Imagine it, Chile could've been a world power, if even after being cursed with the evil dictatorship of Pinochet they managed that.

He's a fucking linguist, and a good one, but he should stfu about things outside of his field, especially politics. He's an ivory tower retard there, and anyone that listens to his opinions uncritically simply because of his intellectual authority is an idiot.

Long but worth reading, learn something maybe. http://natethayer.typepad.com/blog/2011/11/khmer-rouge-apologist-noam-chomsky-unrepentant-.html

 
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Drunken_sailor on September 12, 2017, 11:17:40 PM
this thread is a Mandela vs fake news thread now

"A critical, independent and investigative press is the lifeblood of any democracy. The press must be free from state interference. It must have the economic strength to stand up to the blandishments of government officials. It must have sufficient independence from vested interests to be bold and inquiring without fear or favor. It must enjoy the protection of the constitution, so that it can protect our rights as citizens."
-Mandela
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 12, 2017, 11:22:45 PM
Actual fucking commie. Disgusting. Do the world a favour and suck a shotgun.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Drunken_sailor on September 12, 2017, 11:28:55 PM
shot gun second, making this a zizek anti media thread first.

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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 12, 2017, 11:35:14 PM
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: HESKEYTIME on September 12, 2017, 11:37:31 PM
To stay at least somewhat relevant to the thread:

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Yeah but here's the thing about when a policeman guns down a civilian

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People assume a level of competence from law enforcement that they might not expect from someone outside of that profession. Backlash is stronger. Like when someone who's job it is to take care of vulnerable children is found to be a paedophile. People get mad for some reason.

In your stats the 0.3% of the country employed as police are able to compete with entire ethnicities, including the 70% white population of the USA, for number of kills. They're actually on the board, it's impressive.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 12, 2017, 11:43:11 PM
How many of those shootings, percentage wise, do you consider to have been justified? None of them?
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on September 12, 2017, 11:46:17 PM
People assume a level of competence from law enforcement that they might not expect from someone outside of that profession. Backlash is stronger. Like when someone who's job it is to take care of vulnerable children is found to be a paedophile. People get mad for some reason.

In your stats the 0.3% of the country employed as police are able to compete with entire ethnicities, including the 70% white population of the USA, for number of kills. They're actually on the board, it's impressive.

People shouldn't assume anything, affirmative action, high crime and other factors have lowered the bar significantly. There are cops in New York City who can barely speak English, you'll get the same kind of policing you could expect to get in the Congo in some US cities.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: HESKEYTIME on September 13, 2017, 12:01:59 AM
How many of those shootings, percentage wise, do you consider to have been justified? None of them?

I'd need more to go on than the graphic gives me.

"USA Crime statistics" - is it saying that these percentages are calculated based on events already deemed to be criminal? In which case (at least as authorities would have it) none of these are deemed justified. Or is this mislabelled and the data involves all events including justified shootings? In which case does this apply to every category too or just the police column?

What ethnicity are the police? It seems a weird way to break up the data: "black", "white", "police". The data doesnt present any overlap between these categories, but we know it's there. One of the many reasons I was surprised to see police contending with the big dogs.

What logic determined the order they'd list these stats? It doesnt make sense. It's not going low->high or high->low, and it's not even keeping 'blacks killed by...' and 'whites killed by' in their own groups which is the clearly the way the data was put together, by taking all black/white deaths (criminal?) and splitting it into black/white/police as cause of death since that's the only way the totals make 100%.

The totals somehow make 100%. Are we to assume zero black/white people in 2015 were killed by an Asian person, Native American, or Hispanic? Which raises the question again of how they determined or screened the initial data since this isnt covering all deaths, just deaths that meet a certain unclear criminal criteria. Presumably all Asian, Native American or Hispanic-induced deaths have been categorised as either black, white or 'police' for the purposes of the data 'popping' on the page.

Where's 'Police killed by...'. That seems a logical category, based on the way the stats are presented. But then again, presumably the data-set selected initially before it was split into these 3 causes of death did not include police deaths?

So many questions.

It's too late and there are too many to go into whether or not any of the shootings are justified. I can feel all smug and say 'look, a trend' which indicates a police bias, but in terms of individuals doing the right or wrong thing it's all case by case. And even then you can justify a lot depending on what you saw/did not see at the time or what you can get away with claiming you saw/did not see at the time. Especially if you're wearing a uniform. So who can ever really know? That's why overall stats dont make people lose their shit half as much as seeing a clear-cut police execution end up on youtube, there's little doubt in those cases and then people like to extrapolate - "We saw proof that this cop's version of events was bullshit, how many others?".
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 13, 2017, 12:03:46 AM
Pretty sure those stats are specifically for the city of San Francisco. https://ucr.fbi.gov/
Gluck have fun.

Small sample:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

For SF it's somewhere in here: https://data.sfgov.org/browse?Department-Metrics_Publishing-Department=Police%20Department

Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
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Post by: Asheram on September 13, 2017, 01:39:28 AM
kek  :shock:
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 13, 2017, 02:33:15 AM
http://heyjackass.com/
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Post by: Drunken_sailor on September 13, 2017, 05:14:07 AM
back in my day, crime in Chicago was organized.

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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Gravoth_iii on September 13, 2017, 07:25:39 AM
kek  :shock:
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So theyre literally going to oppress the kekistani for what seems to be no reason? Free the oppressed people of kekistan!

On one side i think its absolutely fucked up, but on the other its interesting to see how intimidated people are by the left and the media that could use any tool to defame people now.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: HESKEYTIME on September 13, 2017, 10:51:28 AM
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SJWs...

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Along with other such 2016 throwbacks as:
- "Cuck"
- "Hillary"
- "Bowie"
- "Harambe"
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Ikarus on September 13, 2017, 11:32:21 AM
kek  :shock:
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that´s so stupid it could almost be a troll

although they´re not wrong calling them "hate group"  :rolleyes:
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Post by: Oberyn on September 13, 2017, 12:31:31 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Gravoth_iii on September 13, 2017, 08:33:01 PM
that´s so stupid it could almost be a troll

although they´re not wrong calling them "hate group"  :rolleyes:

About as equally wrong as calling crpg players a hate group, on the basis of panos hating turks.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 13, 2017, 08:37:54 PM
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Oh Hillary. You fucking robot. Although fairly sure her "biography" was prob ghost-written by committee anyways.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Drunken_sailor on September 14, 2017, 02:05:15 AM
since whites committed genocide hahahhahahahaha ahhhhh fuck thats funny.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on September 22, 2017, 05:04:30 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Xant on September 22, 2017, 08:37:23 PM
CNN for 10 months:

trump has no evidence at all of wire tap claims, lol what a retard

CNN yesterday:

CNN EXCLUSIVE: TRUMP CAMPAIGN HEAD WIRETAPPED
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Gravoth_iii on September 22, 2017, 09:20:06 PM
CNN for 10 months:

trump has no evidence at all of wire tap claims, lol what a retard

CNN yesterday:

CNN EXCLUSIVE: TRUMP CAMPAIGN HEAD WIRETAPPED

Lul, maybe they are appreciating him more now that he is (if he is) going back on the DACA thing. Seems like a big upset for the voters if he is, havent read up on it too much tho.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: dagu807 on September 23, 2017, 10:13:46 AM
Trump loves israeli cock, what else would you expect from an american president nowadays anyway?
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>allows small animals
You know mexican babies also fall under this category.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on November 06, 2017, 04:51:25 PM
CNN deceptively edits video to build a story about Trump disrespecting japanese koi pond etiquette by dumping the whole box like the boorish buffoon he is. Other regressive media and useful idiots pick it up and cry crocodile tears about Trump's blatant disrespect to japanese culture.
Oh but it turns out it's complete bullshit, of course.

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https://twitter.com/IAmVerySilky/status/927444550351810561/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/IAmVerySilky/status/927444550351810561/photo/1)

The real irony is that the japs fucking love Trump and his visit has been a resounding success. Donald Trump is the living embodiment of the japanese idea of America - a gigantic, blond, incredibly wealthy, blunt, loud, powerful man with a beautiful wife. Of course they think he's great.

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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 06, 2017, 05:21:34 PM
"We're not fake news!" Produces fake news :^)
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: njames89 on November 06, 2017, 05:52:47 PM
At this point I am legitimately worried about people that think CNN is anything but anti-Trump propaganda. Though I expect its mostly mentally deficient old people that fall into that category.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Asheram on November 06, 2017, 08:45:59 PM
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Turkhammer on November 07, 2017, 06:07:27 PM
At this point I am legitimately worried about people that think CNN is anything but anti-Trump propaganda. Though I expect its mostly mentally deficient old people that fall into that category.

Why make that ageist assumption?
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: njames89 on November 07, 2017, 06:12:06 PM
I just mean that you'd have to be suffering from dementia to think CNN actually represents real news
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on November 07, 2017, 07:12:27 PM
It's much more likely idiot millenials who watch "comedy" shows like Colbert's and the Daily Show and Samantha Bee's and all the other Heirs of Stewart are much more likely to embrace the narrative of regressive media. Prob some boomer hippies in the mix of course. Gen Z is a whole other kettle of fish.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: njames89 on November 07, 2017, 07:22:18 PM
I think that type of person knows full well the type of propaganda CNN is putting out they just like it because it fits with their narrative.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on November 07, 2017, 08:54:04 PM
It's much more likely idiot millenials who watch "comedy" shows like Colbert's and the Daily Show and Samantha Bee's and all the other Heirs of Stewart are much more likely to embrace the narrative of regressive media. Prob some boomer hippies in the mix of course. Gen Z is a whole other kettle of fish.

It's nothing more than propaganda under the guise of comedy. They will keep this facade up until they find their new political savior who they will endlessly worship on these "comedy" shows.

The plebs can't get enough of their rich left-wing patrician overlords who promise to fix their economic woes by giving their jobs and employment opportunities away to the lowest bidding 3rd world migrants, those angelic economic migrants will surely bring the state endless welfare security and economic prosperity.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Leshma on November 07, 2017, 10:11:08 PM
You mixed up some things. Giving job to those willing to work for less pay is the cornerstone of capitalism. Labor unions are on the other side of the spectrum.

Those who welcome poor immigrants and use them to replace well paid natives are hard core capitalists. A kind of people who built United States into what it is today. Every wave of immigrants went through same ordeal and were brought there by those who wanted more profits. Chinese, Italians, Jews, Mexicans...

It's funny how today there is rise of nationalism in United States. When historically anyone could be American, as long he was willing to learn a little bit of American history, work hard and pay taxes. Current state of affair, pro Trump movement and everything he represents, are based on fear. There is no real need or logic behind that shift. Similar state backed project that were results of population being irationally scared over something never managed to succeed. Doomed to fail, such ideas are.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on November 07, 2017, 11:19:51 PM
You mixed up some things. Giving job to those willing to work for less pay is the cornerstone of capitalism. Labor unions are on the other side of the spectrum.

Those who welcome poor immigrants and use them to replace well paid natives are hard core capitalists. A kind of people who built United States into what it is today. Every wave of immigrants went through same ordeal and were brought there by those who wanted more profits. Chinese, Italians, Jews, Mexicans...

It's funny how today there is rise of nationalism in United States. When historically anyone could be American, as long he was willing to learn a little bit of American history, work hard and pay taxes. Current state of affair, pro Trump movement and everything he represents, are based on fear. There is no real need or logic behind that shift. Similar state backed project that were results of population being irationally scared over something never managed to succeed. Doomed to fail, such ideas are.

Nationalism has always been extremely high in the United States. Immigration in the past was much different, heavily regulated and regionally capped by laws and the condition of the market. Since then the US population has nearly quadrupled to over 350 million in under a 100 years. Times change and there is no longer a correlation between population and job creation in the global economy, now most labor is exported to foreign countries to the lowest bidder. Unless people want to disband Unions and subject themselves to the same conditions as the 3rd world those jobs are never coming back.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Xant on November 08, 2017, 03:42:25 AM
You mixed up some things. Giving job to those willing to work for less pay is the cornerstone of capitalism. Labor unions are on the other side of the spectrum.

Those who welcome poor immigrants and use them to replace well paid natives are hard core capitalists. A kind of people who built United States into what it is today. Every wave of immigrants went through same ordeal and were brought there by those who wanted more profits. Chinese, Italians, Jews, Mexicans...

It's funny how today there is rise of nationalism in United States. When historically anyone could be American, as long he was willing to learn a little bit of American history, work hard and pay taxes. Current state of affair, pro Trump movement and everything he represents, are based on fear. There is no real need or logic behind that shift. Similar state backed project that were results of population being irationally scared over something never managed to succeed. Doomed to fail, such ideas are.
YOU UNEDUCATED BUNDLE OF STICKS
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on November 08, 2017, 11:14:37 AM
Leshma pontificating on subject he is completely fucking ignorant of, exhibit 3058. Hey Leshma, maybe look into US immigration laws pre-1960's and the reasoning behind them, you might find they do not accord at all with your retarded kumbaya Disney bullshit of " 'Murica always been land of immigrants from all over the world!". You are so fucking retarded and proud of your retardation it's painful. You don't even try to correct your ignorance at any point, just wallow in it like a pig in its own shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

"The 1965 Act marked a change from past U.S. policy which had discriminated against non-northern Europeans. In removing racial and national barriers the Act would significantly, and (((unintentionally))) (lol), alter the demographic mix in the U.S."

"The Hart–Celler Act of 1965 marked a radical break from the immigration policies of the past. Previous laws restricted immigration from Asia and Africa, and gave preference to northern and western Europeans over southern and eastern Europeans."
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on November 08, 2017, 07:46:15 PM
It's interesting that I often see Europeans mention the US as the cornerstone of capitalism when it has existed for well over 1000 years in Europe since the Ancient Romans. The US did not invent Credit, banks, private property, economics and global markets. Let's also ignore the fact that Europeans continued to live in Kingdoms and Empires for hundreds of years after the US rejected these backwards dark age institutions. Not letting a small handful of corrupt rich nobles and aristocrats run all of our political and economic affairs totally had nothing to do with our economic success and attractiveness.

The first fire brigades in Rome would only extinguish your house fire if you were willing to sell your property to a billionaire named Crassus, if you didn't sell they simply walked away and let it burn. Do you think this was a form of corrupt capitalism Leshma? Or do you think the plebs who demanded to pay no taxes deserved it for their arrogance and short-sightedness?
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on November 08, 2017, 08:39:08 PM
>asking Leshma about historical facts

Brah Leshma knows and understands practically nothing about history and by extension contemporary reality, or anything that stretches beyond his fat soyboy bugmanlet navel. If it's not gleaned from a fucking manga-anime, a video game or a cartoon he doesn't understand it. His ignorance is surpassed only by his willingness to smugly opinionate on subjects that are desperately beyond his grasp. He's like one of those savant-autists, without the savant part.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on November 08, 2017, 09:04:14 PM
>asking Leshma about historical facts

Brah Leshma knows and understands practically nothing about history and by extension contemporary reality, or anything that stretches beyond his fat soyboy bugmanlet navel. If it's not gleaned from a fucking manga-anime, a video game or a cartoon he doesn't understand it. His ignorance is surpassed only by his willingness to smugly opinionate on subjects that are desperately beyond his grasp. He's like one of those savant-autists, without the savant part.

He is still flipping through his Socialism for Dummies book trying to figure out how Communism failed and why Capitalism, naturally embedded into the human ethos, is superior. I've told him time and time again that socialism is nothing more than simple bribery at it's core, Karl Marx didn't invent socialism he merely coined the term. At the heart of socialism there is always a scheme to ride the coat tails of populism to expand and consolidate state and political power. At it's best it is merely a temporary solution to a deficiency, left to fester it will evolve into an unnatural limiting force that creates needless dependency.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Xant on November 08, 2017, 11:56:05 PM
Communism is exactly as bad as YMCA.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on November 09, 2017, 12:00:50 AM
Not nearly as degenerate or disgusting as the USA right now

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/08/house-dems-new-demand-impeach-trump-by-christmas.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/us/air-force-academy-racist-message-trnd/index.html

http://www.twincities.com/2017/11/08/andrea-jenkins-minneapolis-city-council-nations-first-openly-transgender-black-woman-elected-to-public-office/
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Drunken_sailor on November 10, 2017, 05:22:28 AM
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Mineasota and Minneapolis will always go hard.  Eat it reds.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
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Also I just realized I had already posted the Kantbot vid in the thread before.
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Thryn on December 06, 2017, 09:09:26 PM
guys stop talking bad about communism, u dont know what it really is

the soviet union wasn't real communism, real communism means people become truly liberated and free while remaining equals

capitalism destroys that, u dont know anything
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Post by: Drunken_sailor on December 06, 2017, 09:52:09 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on December 12, 2017, 02:23:18 PM
I gotta ask: Do you actually believe what you're posting or is it only meant to be funny or some kind of obscure mixture? Or is it some kind of payback, to show that you can completely reverse the narrowed narrative some people/institutions tell?
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Paul on December 12, 2017, 02:30:02 PM
He is completely serious and probably angry at you for doubting that. Get with the times.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on December 12, 2017, 02:41:01 PM
>listening to austrians lol

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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Bittersteel on December 12, 2017, 02:47:20 PM
I gotta ask: Do you actually believe what you're posting or is it only meant to be funny or some kind of obscure mixture? Or is it some kind of payback, to show that you can completely reverse the narrowed narrative some people/institutions tell?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S33HVduI474

lol look at these brave antifa attacking white supremacist NAZEE men and women who dare support free speech by showing up to listen to a jewish homosexual who fucks black guys.

The meme is funny because it's true, point out the inaccuracy.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: njames89 on December 12, 2017, 02:50:26 PM
Milo is mind boggling to the left. They fucking HATE him. Can't even discuss him without them going into full on REEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on December 12, 2017, 03:09:07 PM
"It' s good to punch naz1s"

Agreed.

"Anybody right of my left-wing extremism is a naz1"

Wait what.

https://web.archive.org/web/20171212062910/https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/naz1-punch-antifa_us_59e13ae9e4b03a7be580ce6f?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

replace naz1 with nazi in link, fucked cause of the filter.

Oh yes this is nothing but a figment of Oberyn's imagination, left-wing media haven't been constantly, constantly white-knighting avowed extremist left-wing militias and thugs, while calling anyone to the right of Trotsky an evil racist naz1, for decades now. That Huffpost article is merely a drop in a very large bucket, but of course you don't know anything about that, because you're a dumb blinkered ignorant piece of shit.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Paul on December 12, 2017, 04:37:25 PM
Nice, I learned a new word.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on December 12, 2017, 04:42:59 PM
Nice, yet another predictable drive-by one liner non-sequitur. Want to justify or argue for your perspective at all, Paul? Lol of course not, might be revealed as a complete fucking retard if you actually had to defend your positions.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Paul on December 12, 2017, 08:11:11 PM
And another one. Keep going.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Xant on December 12, 2017, 09:33:55 PM
Paul and Oberyn should fight in Paris.
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Post by: Oberyn on December 12, 2017, 10:19:26 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Paul on December 12, 2017, 10:33:17 PM
Paul and Oberyn should fight in Paris.

Have been there twice. Too many blacks and muzzies.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Leshma on December 12, 2017, 10:41:54 PM
It is kind of a dick move judging Oberyn while living in 99.99% white people society (if you consider slavs white). Italians seem to share his opinion and frankly I don't blame them, Italy these days is like you're living in Nigeria.

Germany is culturally enriched, mostly by Turks, but it's nowhere near as bad like Sultanat de France.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on January 29, 2018, 12:43:54 PM
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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on February 02, 2018, 06:51:55 PM
https://fr.scribd.com/document/370598711/House-Intelligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses#from_embed

lol
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 03, 2018, 01:02:05 AM
Memo is out, and ive seen people say that Trump is a cry baby, or whining for wanting this corruption to be visible to the people. I guess people just dislike Trump so much that they will overlook corruption in the government even when its in front of their eyes.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Osiris on February 03, 2018, 01:14:24 AM
The memo is highly debatable, its worthless and inaccurate or its solid proof of anti trump stuff depending on who you believe. It changes very little to be honest.

Still a president that lies openly and repeatedly about silly things that are easily disproved is interesting to watch
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 03, 2018, 01:28:56 AM
Im no scientist, but does it not literally confirm that FBI has intentionally leaked information they knew was false about Trump Russia collusion to the MSM, in order for the MSM to write about it so that the FBI can then get a warrant to investigate Trump on said collusion?

I read that its one side of the argument, and that we'd need to otherside to get the full story/truth, so i guess i'll stay off being too certain as of yet. But it does seem to line up a bit too neatly, though i am biased but trying to be openminded towards it being wrong.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Drunken_sailor on February 03, 2018, 02:28:57 AM
the FBI is not above trying to blackmail the president, thats pretty much what Edgar Hover did if you know of him, also he was black.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on February 03, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Im no scientist, but does it not literally confirm that FBI has intentionally leaked information they knew was false about Trump Russia collusion to the MSM, in order for the MSM to write about it so that the FBI can then get a warrant to investigate Trump on said collusion?

I read that its one side of the argument, and that we'd need to otherside to get the full story/truth, so i guess i'll stay off being too certain as of yet. But it does seem to line up a bit too neatly, though i am biased but trying to be openminded towards it being wrong.

The DNC and the Clinton campaign paid Fusion GPS for the Steele Dossier, the one coloquially known as the "Piss Dossier" because of how fucking ridiculous the claims contained therein are. The FBI used the Steele Dossier as an excuse to open up surveillance on certain members of the Trump campaign, and lied to FISA courts about the provenance of it. They hid that Steele was an incredibly biased party and that DNC/Clinton had paid for the dossier to the tune of 150 thousand dollars or so. Ohr's wife worked for Fusion GPS, another blatant conflict of interest.

Unsurprised Osiris has already brought into the "That's it? Lol we already knew all of that, changes nothing!" media spin, the exact same media who had been calling all those claims conspiracy theories not even a few days prior. It's mindblowing to me how easily idiots are manipulated. If McCain had paid for a dossier of bullshit claiming Obama was beholden to a foreign agent, and this dossier was used by the FBI under Bush to spy on his campaign, the media would've treated it as worse than Watergate. Apparently this disgusting corruption and blatant subversion of intelligence agencies for political shenanigans is A-OK when it's the "right" people doing it. And then you have the nerve to say Trump is the one routinely lying about easily proven facts. Amazing.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on February 03, 2018, 03:41:29 PM
The release of the memo is simultaneously a "that's it?" nothingburger and an incredibly damaging release of classified information that will lower the public's trust in intelligence agencies and their relationship with FISA courts. The cognitive dissonance goes unadressed, of course. Oh so the memo reveals you have cancer? That's not important, the salient issue is that this will lower your trust in the organs that are cancerous, just lol. Poor FBI won't be believed by FISA courts just because they lied and misrepresented in order to intervene in the election, routinely "leaking" information in order to craft a narrative in the media. No big deal, brah! Let me tell you about how Trump is a russian puppet, though.  :lol:
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Osiris on February 03, 2018, 04:47:23 PM
The DNC and the Clinton campaign paid Fusion GPS for the Steele Dossier, the one coloquially known as the "Piss Dossier" because of how fucking ridiculous the claims contained therein are. The FBI used the Steele Dossier as an excuse to open up surveillance on certain members of the Trump campaign, and lied to FISA courts about the provenance of it. They hid that Steele was an incredibly biased party and that DNC/Clinton had paid for the dossier to the tune of 150 thousand dollars or so. Ohr's wife worked for Fusion GPS, another blatant conflict of interest.

Unsurprised Osiris has already brought into the "That's it? Lol we already knew all of that, changes nothing!" media spin, the exact same media who had been calling all those claims conspiracy theories not even a few days prior. It's mindblowing to me how easily idiots are manipulated. If McCain had paid for a dossier of bullshit claiming Obama was beholden to a foreign agent, and this dossier was used by the FBI under Bush to spy on his campaign, the media would've treated it as worse than Watergate. Apparently this disgusting corruption and blatant subversion of intelligence agencies for political shenanigans is A-OK when it's the "right" people doing it. And then you have the nerve to say Trump is the one routinely lying about easily proven facts. Amazing.


you are correct sir! :rolleyes: Me saying the memo is debatable (and is being debated everywhere) and that depending on your bias it means two different things is totally me being an easily manipulated idiot?
The memo changes nothing because it really wont. It wont make anti trumpians suddenly say "oh shit he was right lets support him" will it?

And i have the nerve to say Trump routinely lies because well he does?(saying Trump lies is not me supporting the democrats or the FBI.. im not a mentally challenged fanatic i can say what both sides did/do wrong!)

How dare i say a president that lies a lot is interesting to watch!  :lol: :lol: I suppose him claiming to be the most watched state of the union when it takes ooh 2 mins to tell that it is just a total lie was just alternate facts..


if your looking for someone to spew your anger and hate at maybe wait for someone to actually post the democracts viewpoint  :mrgreen:

Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on February 03, 2018, 04:53:40 PM
What is debatable, and how is the information revealed within changed by which bias? You realize this was classified information, yes? That it was initially never to be released to the public? That democrats faught tooth and nail to prevent it being released, and claimed repeatedly that the information within it would be damaging?  Tell me where the lie or interpretable info is. It seems very clear-cut to me. Have you even read the memo yourself? I linked it, it's not very long.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Osiris on February 03, 2018, 05:22:33 PM
No you are correct it is not debatable and is undeniable fact which is why you can find no debates on it at all via google. Because as we all know no one ever creates documents that twist facts to suit their agenda (except Iraq ofc). You may agree with the sentiment of the document or you may have 100% faith that it is true and proves the wrong doing of the FBI and Clintons and whoever else, but to simply pretend like the memo is infallible and isn't to be questioned is to fail to learn from the mistakes of the past. No matter your personal views question things because it is not unreasonable that believe that both sides here are dodgy as fk

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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on February 03, 2018, 05:44:31 PM
The FBI has investigated the FBI and found no wrongdoing. No specifics of course, just vague allegations of cherrypicking, which could easily be proved if that was the case. It's crazy how FISA courts became nothing more than a rubber stamp for blatantly illegal acts. The surveillance program was never supposed to be used to spy on american citizens, much less for political purposes. I seriously feel like I'm living in a parralel universe, when democrats unironically defend intelligence agencies spying on american citizens because it benefits their political narrative. That Trump-Russia connection will be unveiled any day now, I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Grytviken on February 03, 2018, 06:36:39 PM
The FBI has investigated the FBI and found no wrongdoing. No specifics of course, just vague allegations of cherrypicking, which could easily be proved if that was the case. It's crazy how FISA courts became nothing more than a rubber stamp for blatantly illegal acts. The surveillance program was never supposed to be used to spy on american citizens, much less for political purposes. I seriously feel like I'm living in a parralel universe, when democrats unironically defend intelligence agencies spying on american citizens because it benefits their political narrative. That Trump-Russia connection will be unveiled any day now, I'm sure of it.

The democrats had the power to appoint their political shills like Rosenstein into various positions for the last 8 years, Trump is just weeding them out slowly. Democrats only care about integrity when it suits their own political agenda of anti-American values.
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Havelle Registered Voter on February 03, 2018, 08:08:27 PM
What are American values?
Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Oberyn on February 03, 2018, 09:31:25 PM
From October of last year.

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Title: Re: Trump vs Fake News
Post by: Westwood on February 03, 2018, 11:21:47 PM
What are American values?
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Post by: Drunken_sailor on June 13, 2018, 05:07:31 AM
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how the trump kim meeting should have gone
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Post by: bensai on June 13, 2018, 12:00:05 PM
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Post by: njames89 on June 19, 2018, 03:33:08 PM
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on June 19, 2018, 03:35:40 PM
Don't bring your kids when you're gonna commit a crime.
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