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#NeverForget1915
« on: April 28, 2015, 01:58:51 AM »
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In 1915, leaders of the Turkish government set in motion a plan to expel and massacre Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire. Though reports vary, most sources agree that there were about 2 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire at the time of the massacre. By the early 1920s, when the massacres and deportations finally ended, some 1.5 million of Turkey’s Armenians were dead, with many more forcibly removed from the country. Today, most historians call this event a genocide–a premeditated and systematic campaign to exterminate an entire people. However, the Turkish government does not acknowledge the enormity or scope of these events. Despite pressure from Armenians and social justice advocates throughout the world, it is still illegal in Turkey to talk about what happened to Armenians during this era.


THE ROOTS OF GENOCIDE: THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE

The Armenian people have made their home in the Caucasus region of Eurasia for some 3,000 years. For some of that time, the kingdom of Armenia was an independent entity–at the beginning of the 4th century AD, for instance, it became the first nation in the world to make Christianity its official religion–but for the most part, control of the region shifted from one empire to another. During the 15th century, Armenia was absorbed into the mighty Ottoman Empire.

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American news outlets have also been reluctant to use the word “genocide” to describe Turkey’s crimes. The phrase “Armenian genocide” did not appear in the New York Times until 2004.

The Ottoman rulers, like most of their subjects, were Muslim. They permitted religious minorities like the Armenians to maintain some autonomy, but they also subjected Armenians, who they viewed as “infidels,” to unequal and unjust treatment. Christians had to pay higher taxes than Muslims, for example, and they had very few political and legal rights.

In spite of these obstacles, the Armenian community thrived under Ottoman rule. They tended to be better educated and wealthier than their Turkish neighbors, who in turn tended to resent their success. This resentment was compounded by suspicions that the Christian Armenians would be more loyal to Christian governments (that of the Russians, for example, who shared an unstable border with Turkey) than they were to the Ottoman caliphate.

These suspicions grew more acute as the Ottoman Empire crumbled. At the end of the 19th century, the despotic Turkish Sultan Abdul Hamid II–obsessed with loyalty above all, and infuriated by the nascent Armenian campaign to win basic civil rights–declared that he would solve the “Armenian question” once and for all. “I will soon settle those Armenians,” he told a reporter in 1890. “I will give them a box on the ear which will make them…relinquish their revolutionary ambitions.”


THE FIRST ARMENIAN MASSACRE

Between 1894 and 1896, this “box on the ear” took the form of a state-sanctioned pogrom. In response to large scale protests by Armenians, Turkish military officials, soldiers and ordinary men sacked Armenian villages and cities and massacred their citizens. Hundreds of thousands of Armenians were murdered.

THE RISE OF THE YOUNG TURKS

In 1908, a new government came to power in Turkey. A group of reformers who called themselves the “Young Turks” overthrew Sultan Abdul Hamid and established a more modern constitutional government. At first, the Armenians were hopeful that they would have an equal place in this new state, but they soon learned that what the nationalistic Young Turks wanted most of all was to “Turkify” the empire. According to this way of thinking, non-Turks–and especially Christian non-Turks–were a grave threat to the new state

WORLD WAR I

In 1914, the Turks entered World War I on the side of Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. (At the same time, Ottoman religious authorities declared jihad, or holy war, against all Christians except their allies.) Military leaders began to argue that the Armenians were traitors: If they thought they could win independence if the Allies were victorious, this argument went, the Armenians would be eager to fight for the enemy. As the war intensified, Armenians organized volunteer battalions to help the Russian army fight against the Turks in the Caucasus region. These events, and general Turkish suspicion of the Armenian people, led the Turkish government to push for the “removal” of the Armenians from the war zones along the Eastern Front.

GENOCIDE BEGINS

On April 24, 1915, the Armenian genocide began. That day, the Turkish government arrested and executed several hundred Armenian intellectuals. After that, ordinary Armenians were turned out of their homes and sent on death marches through the Mesopotamian desert without food or water. Frequently, the marchers were stripped naked and forced to walk under the scorching sun until they dropped dead. People who stopped to rest were shot.

At the same time, the Young Turks created a “Special Organization,” which in turn organized “killing squads” or “butcher battalions” to carry out, as one officer put it, “the liquidation of the Christian elements.” These killing squads were often made up of murderers and other ex-convicts. They drowned people in rivers, threw them off cliffs, crucified them and burned them alive. In short order, the Turkish countryside was littered with Armenian corpses.

Records show that during this “Turkification”campaign government squads also kidnapped children, converted them to Islam and gave them to Turkish families. In some places, they raped women and forced them to join Turkish “harems” or serve as slaves. Muslim families moved into the homes of deported Armenians and seized their property.

In 1922, when the genocide was over, there were just 388,000 Armenians remaining in the Ottoman Empire.

THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE TODAY

After the Ottomans surrendered in 1918, the leaders of the Young Turks fled to Germany, which promised not to prosecute them for the genocide. (However, a group of Armenian nationalists devised a plan, known as Operation Nemesis, to track down and assassinate the leaders of the genocide.) Ever since then, the Turkish government has denied that a genocide took place. The Armenians were an enemy force, they argue, and their slaughter was a necessary war measure. Today, Turkey is an important ally of the U.S. and other Western nations, and so their governments have likewise been reluctant to condemn the long-ago killings. In March 2010, a U.S. Congressional panel at last voted to recognize the genocide.



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Re: #NeverForget1915
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2015, 02:13:40 AM »
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inb4 it didn't happen
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Re: #NeverForget1915
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2015, 02:17:12 AM »
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inb4 it didn't happen

inb4 Jean Marie Le Pen (Marine's father) says that the armenian genocide was only a detail of the WW1.

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Re: #NeverForget1915
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2015, 02:36:15 PM »
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Re: #NeverForget1915
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2015, 03:34:10 PM »
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Was planning just to play as genocide survivor for a week in April 2015, on 100th "anniversary" of Armenian genocide and don't rustle jimmies much but last night group of Turks all of a sudden started talking about it, denying it ever happened, called Armenian people names, said they deserve to die, not being humans, how they would kill them even today, denounced existence of Kurdish minority etc. So I took some time and started this topic.

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Re: #NeverForget1915
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2015, 04:11:25 PM »
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Turks all of a sudden started talking about it, denying it ever happened, called Armenian people names, said they deserve to die, not being humans, how they would kill them even today, denounced existence of Kurdish minority etc.

I've never linked events to the whole nation but rather to group of people directly involved into it but this is just wow.
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Re: #NeverForget1915
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2015, 04:15:38 PM »
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Wow, how dare they. For shame, Turks. For friggin' shame.
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Re: #NeverForget1915
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2015, 04:27:50 PM »
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I've never linked events to the whole nation but rather to group of people directly involved into it but this is just wow.

Well those who wrote that bullshit are active playing part of this community. There was also DarkSouls who tried to reason with them, but you can't reason with nationalists.

Nationalists have pattern of behavior when they are faced with genocide questions. First is always denial, second comes passing the blame.

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Re: #NeverForget1915
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2015, 04:34:32 PM »
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denying it ever happened, called Armenian people names, said they deserve to die, not being humans, how they would kill them even today, denounced existence of Kurdish minority etc.


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Re: #NeverForget1915
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2015, 04:44:52 PM »
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The turks have always very heavly denied this, due to i assume atleast generations being taught that every single part of it is faked. Even the turkish ambassadors all around the world keep claiming its all bullshit. Stating that it was all made up by the USSR.

As far as I know, no historical event on earth is so heavly denied as the turks denying the Armenian genocide. They will never admit it, thats very certain.

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2015, 04:58:17 PM »
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The turks have always very heavly denied this, due to i assume atleast generations being taught that every single part of it is faked. Even the turkish ambassadors all around the world keep claiming its all bullshit. Stating that it was all made up by the USSR.

As far as I know, no historical event on earth is so heavly denied as the turks denying the Armenian genocide. They will never admit it, thats very certain.

Why would we admit it  , and how ? Are we gonna say "ok guys you were right all alone been trolling for a hundred years lol"
What does it matter now? Why should I feel responsible and say sorry for something a cunt called Enver(Pan-Turkist leader of Union and Progress Party- ordered, then fled the country?

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Re: #NeverForget1915
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2015, 05:01:00 PM »
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Why should I feel responsible and say sorry for something a cunt called Enver(Pan-Turkist leader of Union and Progress Party- ordered, then fled the country?

Nobody asked for that.

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Re: #NeverForget1915
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2015, 05:01:33 PM »
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in my opinion we should say sorry to Greeks, Armenians, Serbs, Macedonians, Croats, Bulgarians, and tons of nation destroyed by us... Becuase we were the BEST and RULE the world ^^

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Re: #NeverForget1915
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2015, 05:09:45 PM »
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Only Greeks and Armenians. This isn't about hundred of years under Ottoman Empire, it is about genocide that happened when Young Turks came to power.

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Re: #NeverForget1915
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2015, 05:14:05 PM »
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Goddamn young Turks.
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