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Will Putin command further invasion of Ukraine:

He will and he should, because <random witty/boring reason>
He will, but he should not, because <random witty/boring reason>
He will not, because <random witty/boring reason>
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1740 on: March 17, 2014, 03:33:18 PM »
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But so is Oberyn, I don't see a pattern here.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1741 on: March 17, 2014, 03:37:01 PM »
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Oberyn is special in any case :lol:
When west germany annexed east germany, nobody moved a finger too.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1742 on: March 17, 2014, 03:37:28 PM »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1743 on: March 17, 2014, 03:37:36 PM »
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If you go past your nerd-rage you will see that I didnt contradict one point you made in your "reply" a few inchs up on your screen. Basically I dont feel you're adressing me in your last posts, got that feel from Dave & co since page 30+ but from you its new!
No, i'm pretty sure i'm adressing you - or at least whatever you wrote.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1744 on: March 17, 2014, 03:43:25 PM »
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Ignore that post if you dont like off-topic backpedalling over-intellectualizing post  :shock:
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1745 on: March 17, 2014, 03:43:38 PM »
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Ukrainians mobilizing, but to me it seems just a defensive precaution agains troubly in eastern part of the country, nothing to do with Crimea.

I still believe it would be possible to come to the agreement, if Russians decide Crimea is enough. I mean, Crimea is not really heartland of Ukraine, it has no historical significance to Ukrainians, and to be honest it was integrated in the country with complete bureaucratic bullshit decision. Moreover, even without Russian interference Ukraine would face a great problem with controling the population that wants to be part of Russia.

However, it is part of the Ukraine and it cost Ukraine a lot of money. How come no one comes up with the proposal to organize a fair referendum, this time with international observers and such, and if Crimea decides to split that Ukrainians deliver a bill to Russkies. For example, we invested in Crimea that much billions of dollars since 1954, please pay up. The bill could be 900-1000 billions of dollars. It would be cheaper for Russians than economic sanctions, and Ukrainians wouldn't have to worry about foreign debts anymore.

No one would be too happy, but no one would be too unhappy. 

Its not like something like that did not happen before, take Louisiana Purchase for example.
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I mean, what have you got to lose? You know, you come from nothing, you're going back to nothing, what have you lost? Nothing!

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1746 on: March 17, 2014, 05:51:19 PM »
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Will it really get better for them in Russia?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1747 on: March 17, 2014, 06:11:00 PM »
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Will it really get better for them in Russia?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1748 on: March 17, 2014, 06:13:32 PM »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1749 on: March 17, 2014, 07:29:22 PM »
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if Russians decide Crimea is enough. I mean, Crimea is not really heartland of Ukraine, it has no historical significance to Ukrainians, and to be honest it was integrated in the country with complete bureaucratic bullshit decision.

I think that the problem is not Crimea in itself, but the precedence precedent which takes place currently and which can be followed by another "refererendum" in the future. The loss of Crimea probably wouldn't be big deal for Ukraine from economical or historical point of view, but for russia it will be clear signal that they can do whatever they want and noone will lift a finger to stop them.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1750 on: March 17, 2014, 07:31:19 PM »
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1751 on: March 17, 2014, 07:48:48 PM »
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I think that the problem is not Crimea in itself, but the precedence which takes place currently and which can be followed by another "refererendum" in the future. The loss of Crimea probably wouldn't be big deal for Ukraine from economical or historical point of view, but for russia it will be clear signal that they can do whatever they want and noone will lift a finger to stop them.

You mean like US empire ? They can invade Irak without any legit (just one exemple). Oh yes i'm french so I like Russia and I hate hamburgers.
When west germany annexed east germany, nobody moved a finger too.
When Kosovo or south Sudan voted for independance it was a wonderfull victory for democracy. But in Crimea, it's different, it's RUSSIA, those infamous commies, the new axis of EVIL. Please God help America and is buffon John Kerry (Skull and Bones inc.)
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1752 on: March 17, 2014, 07:52:43 PM »
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Yes the US acted like dicks in Iraq. The whole world knows that.

But that doesn't mean Russia can act like dicks in Crimea to.

They are completely separate events with no relation to each other.

Not to mention the Western Governments that got involved in Iraq have now largely, completely changed (on the face).

US ect cooked up a whole pile of shit problems for themselves with Iraq in every which way and now Russia are doing the same thing.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1753 on: March 17, 2014, 07:57:00 PM »
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No it's not a reason To invade any country. But it's a reason to show some humility in international relationships. First, by not trying to destabilize other countries with billions of $$.
Or spy them...
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine
« Reply #1754 on: March 17, 2014, 08:04:43 PM »
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When west germany annexed east germany, nobody moved a finger too.

Maybe you don't know but unification of germany was approved by parliament of east germany. And I don't get it how actions of USA in middle east justify what Russia does in crimea.

When Kosovo or south Sudan voted for independance it was a wonderfull victory for democracy. But in Crimea, it's different, it's RUSSIA, those infamous commies, the new axis of EVIL.

I'm quite sure referendum would be utterly different judged by public opinion in europe if there wouldn't be russian troops in crimea.
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