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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2014, 02:37:28 PM »
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What the fuck? I got so many questions from this video. For instance, who in the right mind deploys automatic rifles for illegal camping? They say "get on the ground" and then they shoot him when he was clearly trying to comply? Why did they shoot lethal rounds first and why did they shoot the non lethal rounds after? Was that flashbang really necessary? They say "drop the knife" when the guys is half dead on the floor and then shoot him up some more, WTF?

A flashbang, a dog, 3 guys in tactical gear with kevlar vests and automatic rifles? I guess they just saw the homeless guy as an oportunity to test their gear out....
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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2014, 03:16:14 PM »
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Know. Read that. But the point is..... RT covers this. RT covered the Wall Street protests. RT covers the Assange stuff. RT covers the Snowden leak. RT covers everything that's anti-US government. They're Kremlin biased dirty lovers.

Ever seen them go this hard at Russian government misdeeds etc? Anything bad about Comrade Putin?


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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2014, 03:25:42 PM »
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Lol, are you guys serious? Every round fired was non-lethal. Only one officer had lethal equipped, and the blood you see is from him hitting his head on the rock, which clearly couldn't have been planned. I'm definitely not saying that this was justified, but this is no where near as bad as other videos/photos posted from other countries, especially Russia. Again, not saying this is justified, but every country has the same issues that arise when some feel more empowered than others, and seem to have a right to enact on it.
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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2014, 03:31:19 PM »
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They're HEROES gawdangit! HEROES! Upholdin' the FREEDOMS of America and their Godgiven-right, given to them by God, to protect themselves with assault rifles. These are Official governmonent TRAINED Freedom Officers, they're TRAINED for this, you think you know better than these TRAINED professionals?

Y'all won't be so cynical when King George comes back an' tries to reclaim the colonies will ya? Y'all be glad you got gun-toting 'Freedom Officers' then won't y'all? What if a Muslim walked in through your front door or turned up at your school? You just gonna sit there and watch that happen? No. You'll be begging for a Freedom Officer to come help you then won't you, well maybe they wont feel like helping you dirty liberal criminal folk.

'Shooting' is such an ugly word anyway, clearly a media buzzword invented by non-patriotes to sound all fancy. I prefer the term 'Pre-emptive Strike', or 'Unsanctioned live round expenditure', or a 'Freedom-based Execution of Justice'... see, it don't sound so bad now does it? And what about all the times Officials DONT shoot at homeless people, don't see them turning up on Russian Commie news do ya? Never see a front-page news story 'Today no American Officials killed a homeless man', dang biased commie news.

And what the hell's the point in ownin' guuuns if you never use them?! Just ownin' guuuuns aint enough to make you a true red-white-and-blue American Patrioat! Remember the great Founding Father Alexander Hamilton? He were nearly true American, he founded noble newspapers like the New York Post, had some guuuuuuuns, used his paper to slander the Vice President of the USA on invented charges until the VP challenged him to a duel like a true Patrioate. But when it came down to the duel he wussed out and fired into the air all peaceful like, to concede the duel without shooting the VP, and the brave Vice President took the opportunity to put one square between Alexander Hamilton's eyes whilst he was unarmed. We found out which of those 2 was a true American that day.

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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2014, 03:35:01 PM »
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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2014, 04:12:26 PM »
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well if you're only going to post half the story then of course you will have two pages of uninformed people saying "how dare they" or "why no use non lethal".

1) This event had been going on for around like 4 hours
2) The original call was dispatched to local law enforcement, whom responded, and then called for a crisis team because the man had clear issues and refused to respond while holding 2 knives
3) They talked to him, he refused to comply, they threw a flashbang and told him to comply, he refused, they sent a dog on him, he brandishes two knives and attempts to get the dog off him while wielding two knives then turns away to do who knows what, maybe get another weapon from his gear, maybe get a gun from his waist band, you really dont know till after the fact, and then at that point its okay for everyone to monday morning quarterback you.
4)while lying on the ground, he still refuses to drop the damn knives, yet says he cant move, but can move his legs and talk just fine.  They shoot beanbags at him, he still refuses to comply, they send the dog for assurance, then move to arrest him.  You really can never be to safe, who is to say when they approach he doesnt lunge out and stab someone, why take that chance? 

I cant really swing either way on this one, but you really have to question how much time and money can really be spent on issues like these.  I also dont see any problems with the use of the beanbags while he is laying on the ground, and dont forget, its all in the eyes of the person, if it looked like the dog was being struck at with a knife, well he is technically assaulting an officer with a weapon.  There is also this always ever present idea from people that you cant shoot people in the back, as if thats some sort of real thing.  Either way, and this is my personal opinion, its okay for people who have never been trained to over criticize law enforcement, but god forbid someone comes to your job and harasses the piss out of you on how you arent doing your job correctly, the shoe is never on the other foot, you never see in the news, "man pours concrete wrong way, doesnt smooth in circles" or "grocery bagger puts dairies with packaged meat, faces heavy criticism and may lose job because angry soccer mom hails manager".

Either way, im trying to be informative, and atleast have a fair discussion rather then the normal shock and awe that is the typical comments.
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Dont forget, he is wielding knives, im not sure of many people who would want to close the gap with a knife wielding man to put some pepper spray in his face, lol, you have to be so fucking close to people to spray them that at any point they could near reach out and fucking grab you.

The taser wont really work on heavy clothing, like sweaters or multiple layers of clothing, one would have to have the long probed version, which in New Mexico they might not even bother to purchase since its rather warm near year round.(if you ever want to be a taserless man, buy one of those puffy jackets, they are fucking impenetrable lol 
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What the fuck? I got so many questions from this video. For instance, who in the right mind deploys automatic rifles for illegal camping? They say "get on the ground" and then they shoot him when he was clearly trying to comply? Why did they shoot lethal rounds first and why did they shoot the non lethal rounds after? Was that flashbang really necessary? They say "drop the knife" when the guys is half dead on the floor and then shoot him up some more, WTF?

A flashbang, a dog, 3 guys in tactical gear with kevlar vests and automatic rifles? I guess they just saw the homeless guy as an oportunity to test their gear out....

has so many questions, i answer them, they dont comply with his attempted propaganda, minuses person, must be wrong........

1)they called their crisis teams out, this instead had been occurring and tying up resources for hours, those beat cops have to go back to their patrols and leave it to the teams to handle.
2)the response teams have assault rifles, thats a standard, they didnt send them to deal with an illegal camper you dult.
3)at what point was he complying? before the first 4 hours, or after the last 12 shouts to get on the ground, he then starts to walk away from them.  At no point was he complying
4)they shot non lethal rounds afterwards because why would you shoot him again? they arent trying to kill him, they are trying to disarm him
5)you bitch and moan about why they dont use non lethal weapons, then you ask if the flashbang was necessary......
6)they never shot him again after he was on the ground, they shot him with bean bag rounds

like i said, please go spread your misinformation and propaganda elsewhere.......
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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2014, 04:14:18 PM »
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What the fuck AntiBlitz.
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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2014, 04:20:57 PM »
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What the fuck AntiBlitz.

wat?

what the hell did i do know?


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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2014, 04:32:30 PM »
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So if someone refuses to comply you just shoot him dead? Why not use beanbags and taser first, leaving lethal rounds as the last resort?

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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2014, 04:32:36 PM »
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WTF. Those cops better do some time. I still respect cops here in America though, just not the psychos who don't deserve the badge. But were they really lethal rounds, or just rubber?

Stop the gang bang on the American law enforcement already lol.

Let's not go and say how horrible all of Europes law enforcement is after watching a video of Ukranian riot police beating on down civilians.  :cry:

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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2014, 04:38:40 PM »
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So if someone refuses to comply you just shoot him dead? Why not use beanbags and taser first, leaving lethal rounds as the last resort?

I said the taser wont work on sweaters and heavy clothing, and the barbs go in unpredictable goofy directions, so fat chance shooting someone in the calf with it.

idk i wasnt there, i dont really wanna monday morning quarterback the dudes.  but they used half the shit on the ol' batbelt, did they need to use the rest?  i guess they could have, though they didnt.  Like i said in my post, its all observation and the feelings of the officers, they had no idea what the guy had, whose to say he wasnt moving for a gun, or turning away so he could reach into his waistband without them seeing.  Though in the end, nothing of the sort was found, though would it have changed ur mind if he had a fucking bazooka in his bags to which he was moving towards?  They did what they did, and unfortunately watching it, it looks fucking terrible lol, i can even confide with that.  It looks so bad, but it must not be that bad when its been okayed by the court, and hasnt really hit the news in the U.S(only a few small sites and things, one day of coverage was about it).

you should give the guys a little bit of credit  :rolleyes:, they didnt dump clip on his ass lol, they gave him the ol' two tap.
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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2014, 04:43:07 PM »
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Every man is a potential maniac whose dream is to kill or wound cops, with most likely a nuclear warhead in their pocket. It's better to be safe and shoot them first because I don't known what proportional means.

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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2014, 04:46:05 PM »
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im trying to be a philosophical ass, yet i dont know what im talking about, my day job is sitting in an office, my night job is critiquing cops on youtube videos on a medieval game forum


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Re: Law enforcement in America.
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2014, 04:52:40 PM »
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My theory is that the US is a Fallout-style wasteland populated by psychos.

If it wasn't so, why would law enforcement always act like it is ?