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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2013, 03:46:18 PM »
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btw. my region of Europe by latest predictions will be uninhabitable by year 2050 due to 50+ degree summers. We'll see about that.

well we can already have 40-45C+ periods of summer here, so it could come true easily
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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2013, 03:47:27 PM »
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Very interesting, if its not just a fluctuation and remains this way for a few years, then the predictions where wrong, and all the thermometers lied.
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The predictions have already failed horribly. See above, and claim that the arctic ice would be gone by the year 2013, when it has only grown by 26% per cent.
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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2013, 03:53:25 PM »
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well we can already have 40-45C+ periods of summer here, so it could come true easily

Yes same here we had an extremly warm summer and temps got up to 40 here also, but they predict longer periods of such temps which would make life difficult, droughts, inability to grow crops and all other similar problems. Mind you there are people that live in much warmer climate than in south of Europe in the summer and they survived, we'll just have to adapt I guess.
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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2013, 03:54:07 PM »
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If the policies hadn't changed, maybe it would be gone. Must we really wait for a disaster to happen before we start acting against it?

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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2013, 03:55:09 PM »
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If the policies hadn't changed, maybe it would be gone. Must we really wait for a disaster to happen before we start acting against it?

European maybe, China and US did little to nothing
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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2013, 03:57:04 PM »
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Must we really wait for a disaster to happen before we start acting against it?

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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2013, 03:59:12 PM »
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I don't believe in global warming as a real thing, it's just another bullshitty idea like all the other ones before it, and the earth gets colder then warmer then colder then warmer then colder all the fucking time...
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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2013, 04:01:18 PM »
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/09/10/climate_change_sea_ice_global_cooling_and_other_nonsense.html

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The second claim that the Arctic sea ice is now 60 percent higher over August 2012 is technically true but extremely misleading. In the summer of 2012 Arctic sea ice hit a record low. Given just how extreme it was, it’s not too surprising that it would not be as extreme this year. As you can see by the graph here, the sea ice extent (which essentially represents how much area is covered by ice) was incredibly low last year and is still lower than average this year. Rose makes this seem like the ice is on a huge rebound, but it’s more like getting a D- after getting an F on a test. Sure, it’s better, but it ain’t necessarily good.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic-antarctic-ice.html

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September 2012 witnessed two opposite records concerning sea ice. Two weeks after the Arctic Ocean's ice cap experienced an all-time summertime low for the satellite era (left), Antarctic sea ice reached a record winter maximum extent (right)

Seems like 2012 was just an extreme case, and in 2013 the icecap would automatically become bigger than 2012 because of that (but still be shrinking long term).
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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2013, 04:11:10 PM »
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See above, and claim that the arctic ice would be gone by the year 2013, when it has only grown by 26% per cent.

I'd like to pose a clarifying question. What has it grown by 26% in comparison to, from what previous levels?
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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2013, 04:18:23 PM »
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/09/10/climate_change_sea_ice_global_cooling_and_other_nonsense.html

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http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic-antarctic-ice.html

Seems like 2012 was just an extreme case, and in 2013 the icecap would automatically become bigger than 2012 because of that (but still be shrinking long term).

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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2013, 04:19:38 PM »
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I'd like to pose a clarifying question. What has it grown by 26% in comparison to, from what previous levels?
29%, though the other figure that's thrown around is 60%. Don't know which, but the point is that it was predicted to be completely gone by 2013; obviously untrue.

Also,

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Ice grew at rates faster than average throughout October, at 103,500 square kilometers (40,000 square miles) per day compared to the 1981 to 2010 average of 87,500 square kilometers per day (33,800 square miles per day)

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http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

The overall data from 2013 also falls within two standard deviations of the average, whereas 2012's data did not.
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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2013, 04:24:51 PM »
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The climate changes regardless of what we do. Maybe humans can have some marginal affect, but it's nothing compared to the natural trajectory.

Al Gore is taking a piss on you and runs away with the money.

Global warming is a business... People give you money when you first scare the crap out of them and then tell they are responsible for the scary thing.
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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2013, 04:37:38 PM »
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Failure to read article, check.
Straw man fallacy, check.

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Goddamnit Xant, you yourself disqualify the arguments that attack the Daily Mail as a source on scientific subjects by asking whether they falsified the NASA images presented in it. You defend the source and the argument it presents on the basis of it's use of scientific imagery. My deduction that you only find the imagery relevant comes from your defense of the source being based solely on these pictures. These pictures show the effects of a single cold summer which prompts you to claim that global warming is a hoax. Now you tell me to actually read the entire article written by David Rose without any proper sources which stinks of classic journalistic misrepresentation of science to generate interest. He is even claiming that articles published by the Daily Mail prompted the IPCC to reconsider it's position and that the IPCC is holding a pre-summit because of this article.

Which from what I get here is untrue and this just makes David Rose a questionable author. If he makes up this then I am scared to even find out what is wrong with the actual science related arguments and facts he presents.
http://www.rtcc.org/2013/09/11/ipcc-rejects-daily-mail-claims-it-plans-climate-crisis-meeting/

Can't help attacking a straw man if you lack any consistency or clarity in presenting your argument. I ask you again, as apparently it is the entire content of the article which allows you to describe global warming as a hoax. Are you sure the Daily Mail is a good source for these kind of discussion subjects? Get proper sources ya shit.

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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2013, 04:39:20 PM »
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'Some eminent scientists now believe the world is heading for a period of cooling'
Daily Mail

Oh, EMINENT SCIENTISTS, well.... i'm convinced... Grats on making me read a Daily Mail article, anyone got a tissue my eyes won't stop bleeding.

People like to imagine climate change is a sudden thing, or totally linear, but it's hugely variable anyway and follows more of an up-down zigzag with overall up-down trends over larger periods. The fact we get more ice one year hardly debunks the theory now does it? Especially when it hasn't even taken us up to 'normal' levels.

The misconception is that temperatures will just rocket all over, in England what we're seeing is more unstable and extreme temperatures, not just higher- colder longer winters, hotter summers, heavier rainfall. 10 years ago we had our hottest day on record, and sure we haven't topped that, but the majority of summers we've had since have topped the old record, it just doesn't sound as good as 'hottest day ever' every year. Why would we suddenly have 10 years of hotter summers? God hugging the earth too hard American creationist scum?

Global temperatures vary anyway, that's the excuse often used against Global Warming, which would make sense if it weren't for the fact we already know this cos surprisingly the guys who study these things arent stupid, simply put we aren't concerned cos our temperatures aren't a flat line, we're concerned cos we're off where we should be. Also ocean ice, CO2 etc, these are symptoms of problems we'll be experiencing years from now, and we know the level of CO2 has never been this high in human history. Temperatures will increase accordingly, climate change is an ongoing process that focuses on the big picture, the fact we may be in a cool dip in the upwards trend doesn't prove anything till we see the years after- will it keep cooling or will we be back on track next year?

To answer your question:

Daily Mail is totally misusing given information to form a story that is Bullshit.
Daily Mail is a bad source, therefore I Call Bullshit.

I've read the Daily Mail lots of times, it loves big impressive sweeping headlines to try and sell, probably how it caught your eye, but it's hardly a reliable source of information. Future years will see what's really going on, but just remember one year does not make or break a trend. The idea that the world's too big and strong for us to influence is nonsense, true we won't destroy the planet, but human involvement is more than capable of making whole areas unlivable for humans- prehistory shows us that men can cause flooding, erosion and even influence the climate. Don't forget, we don't need to 'destroy the planet' (as scaremongers call it), we just need to make it very uncomfortable for our species to live on, which is significantly easier.
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Re: Global warming, more like global hoax.
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2013, 04:45:21 PM »
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Goddamnit Xant, you yourself disqualify the arguments that attack the Daily Mail as a source on scientific subjects by asking whether they falsified the NASA images presented in it. You defend the source and the argument it presents on the basis of it's use of scientific imagery. My deduction that you only find the imagery relevant comes from your defense of the source being based solely on these pictures. These pictures show the effects of a single cold summer which prompts you to claim that global warming is a hoax. Now you tell me to actually read the entire article written by David Rose without any proper sources which stinks of classic journalistic misrepresentation of science to generate interest. He is even claiming that articles published by the Daily Mail prompted the IPCC to reconsider it's position and that the IPCC is holding a pre-summit because of this article.

Which from what I get here is untrue and this just makes David Rose a questionable author. If he makes up this then I am scared to even find out what is wrong with the actual science related arguments and facts he presents.
http://www.rtcc.org/2013/09/11/ipcc-rejects-daily-mail-claims-it-plans-climate-crisis-meeting/

Can't help attacking a straw man if you lack any consistency or clarity in presenting your argument. I ask you again, as apparently it is the entire content of the article which allows you to describe global warming as a hoax. Are you sure the Daily Mail is a good source for these kind of discussion subjects? Get proper sources ya shit.
This shoots so far past the mark I'm not even sure what to say. Yes, indeed, the comparison image compares the contraction and recovery of the arctic ice between the years 2012-2013. And?
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