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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2016, 10:32:32 AM »
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the most annoying shit is that you can't discuss a humanitarian crisis without being called a nazi, white supremacist xenophobic right winger. this will only end up making things very violent.
In my experience you can if you stick to proper vocabulary suiting a discussion.
If you go all "derp, sand friends eating our kids alive, fucking aliens", you can hardly expect a discussion.
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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2016, 11:38:15 AM »
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Unfortunately thats not how public/media works
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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2016, 11:46:00 AM »
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My city is home to about 50 thousands of Vietnamese. Decent, hardworking and smiling wonderful people. There was never any problems. They have their own organizations, associations, newspapers, launched a schools, kindergartens, have decided to try building their pagodas. They do fantastic food.

Asked how they feel in Vietnam, they respond with a laugh that as tourists on holiday.
Older generations, when asked about the young, laugh frankly and say that they are like bananas - yellow from outside, but white inside. lol

Where is our white chocolate chip cookiem against them? Simply doesn't exist, and we are friendly, helpful and tolerant. What a kurwa miracle...

Whether integration will be successful or not depends largely on immigrants. End of story.
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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2016, 12:50:19 PM »
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I only have good experiences with thai and viet people, the worst it gets is when they talk too much hehe. Very kind people, funny how large the difference is, i wonder if they have an opinion on the other immigrants.
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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2016, 02:35:07 PM »
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They are more scared than we are. They are afraid that on the wave of anti-immigrant mood they can get ricochet... sick world...
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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2016, 03:32:51 PM »
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My city is home to about 50 thousands of Vietnamese. Decent, hardworking and smiling wonderful people. There was never any problems. They have their own organizations, associations, newspapers, launched a schools, kindergartens, have decided to try building their pagodas. They do fantastic food.

Asked how they feel in Vietnam, they respond with a laugh that as tourists on holiday.
Older generations, when asked about the young, laugh frankly and say that they are like bananas - yellow from outside, but white inside. lol

Where is our white chocolate chip cookiem against them? Simply doesn't exist, and we are friendly, helpful and tolerant. What a kurwa miracle...

Whether integration will be successful or not depends largely on immigrants. End of story.
That does not sound like they are integrated but more like they run their own little society.
But maybe I understood it wrong?
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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2016, 03:44:48 PM »
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Where is our white chocolate chip cookiem against them? Simply doesn't exist, and we are friendly, helpful and tolerant. What a kurwa miracle...

Whether integration will be successful or not depends largely on immigrants. End of story.

What you say about immigrants from Vietnam is true, there's no xenophobic attacks and no hostility against them. People here think very highly of them, consider them to be hard working and kind. But it's not like every dark skinned immigrant is a savage and deserves to be treated like one. Everyone should be judged on his own merits, not those of the same skin colour.
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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2016, 04:27:10 PM »
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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2016, 04:30:49 PM »
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Anti-Racist is a codeword for Anti-White!

Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans, Europe for EVERYBODY!

Multiculture is the death of our great white, western & European superior cultures!

Zionism must be purged from earth!

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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2016, 04:32:08 PM »
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That does not sound like they are integrated but more like they run their own little society.
But maybe I understood it wrong?

There are more and more mixed marriages, more and more mixed children, and asked who they are, they say that they are Varsovians. In the first generation, they built their own society (around 1975), but in subsequent generations takes progressive integration. Today, they have more friends and colleagues among Poles (especially people ending universities) than among their own community. In Vietnam, they feel like a stranger, so the answer is yes. They are integrated. They built their wealth in Poland, and the money mainly invest in the Warsaw area.

What you say about immigrants from Vietnam is true, there's no xenophobic attacks and no hostility against them. People here think very highly of them, consider them to be hard working and kind. But it's not like every dark skinned immigrant is a savage and deserves to be treated like one. Everyone should be judged on his own merits, not those of the same skin colour.

Of course, I know many great dark-skinned people, some of them are my friends, especially well I remember my teacher of dermatology, a great guy with a huge knowledge (he's from Mali) and any generalization is bad, but look around - there is something wrong - 50 designated no go zones speaks for itself.


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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2016, 04:58:05 PM »
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the most annoying shit is that you can't discuss a humanitarian crisis without being called a nazi, white supremacist xenophobic right winger. this will only end up making things very violent.

While there is truth to this and it is partly a reason for the rise of AfD in germany, it got better lately. However in general the error is not to be precise and not to differentiate. Because of what you said in some cases you can't call a racist a racist without being called a 'gutmensch' or whatever even if by definition he definitely is a racist, which is equally retarded.

In general especially the videos by angantyr are very biased and one-sided. The video xant posted is better, but still I don't get what exactly is your point or approach for a solution. All muslims are evil so give them run?

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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2016, 04:59:18 PM »
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Another great story for the right-wing populism *sigh*




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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2016, 05:29:42 PM »
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All muslims are evil so give them run?

not all, for example, in Poland we have our Tatars, but they live here for 600 years ... lol

Solution? In Sweden snow is probably half of the year, if not longer (lol) ... instead let them attack on girls, better turn them into snow shovel ... smelly sluggards want only money from taxes, but job... c'mon it's for morons... this is a real problem and solution at the same time - work.
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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2016, 06:03:44 PM »
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In the first generation, they built their own society (around 1975), but in subsequent generations takes progressive integration. Today, they have more friends and colleagues among Poles (especially people ending universities) than among their own community. In Vietnam, they feel like a stranger, so the answer is yes. They are integrated. They built their wealth in Poland, and the money mainly invest in the Warsaw area.

I appreciate to an extent that people have different political outlooks. But the thing that pisses me off is when people look at current day where first generation migrants build their own societies in the receiving country and extrapolate 'that means we're doomed!!!!!! All the migrants refuse to adopt our culture and in 50 years time we'll all be speaking their language!!!!'. Never taking into account that this is how it always goes, and in hindsight generations later you can see that Poland wasn't taken over by the Vietnamese, the idea seems frankly ridiculous... now.

They integrate, their identity changes. I don't know if people in Poland in 1975 were the same as people now 'these Vietnamese migrants aren't integrating, it's the end of our culture!!!!!!! QQQQQQQ' or maybe they were more tolerant and rational back then, dunno. But the idea today that if the first generation doesn't 100% integrate then their children never will, seems like the worst kind of delusional scaremongering.

Addendum - if your law enforcement agencies are too scared to arrest migrants for breaking the law simply because they're migrants, then your law enforcement is:
A) Shit
B) Corrupt
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C) Both

(Or possibly the circumstances weren't as black and white as the media portrays but nooooooooo, I'm sure that'd never happen)
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Re: #dream is alive
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2016, 06:23:24 PM »
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The statistics are quite clear across Europe; problematic migrants are Arabs and Africans from Sunni Muslim countries, while Asians are often better behaved than natives on average.