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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #300 on: October 06, 2015, 12:18:25 AM »
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #301 on: October 06, 2015, 12:24:23 AM »
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http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/school_law/2013/08/district_not_liable_in_after_s.html

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Not a school shooting apparently. Certainly didn't hear anything about it in the national media.

http://news.wabe.org/post/new-information-released-price-middle-school-shooting

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Also not a school shooting. Fancy that.

Such events are relegated to local media, always. Not even names, much less reports of their race. Want more examples? There are literally dozens. Almost a weekly occurence in certain cities like Detroit. Now, do you think this is an isolated case, or a common occurence? Do you think it's a coincidence that so many african american majority schools are basically mini-penitentiaries, where an ever present cadre of police officers roam the halls to prevent day-to-day gang violence, random beatings, assaults on teachers, etc? But no, of course, 15-25 year old black males being the main source of violent homicides in the US is suddenly not applicable in a school setting, even though reality disagrees.
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #302 on: October 06, 2015, 12:36:43 AM »
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #303 on: October 06, 2015, 12:41:51 AM »
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #304 on: October 06, 2015, 12:45:20 AM »
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"Criminals don't follow gun laws" is such a ridiculous statement anyway. So they just walk around with unregistered machineguns and when the police wants their license they just go "nope sir I'm a criminal you can't arrest me!"?

Are you being purposely dense? 

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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #305 on: October 06, 2015, 12:59:13 AM »
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Are you being purposely dense?

No, are you?

If firearms became illegal overyeldurht, do you think criminals would just keep on acting as before? No, obviously not. Around here if I see a person carrying any firearm and who doesn't look like a cop or soldier I'm calling the police.

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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #306 on: October 06, 2015, 01:15:34 AM »
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No, are you?

If firearms became illegal overyeldurht, do you think criminals would just keep on acting as before? No, obviously not. Around here if I see a person carrying any firearm and who doesn't look like a cop or soldier I'm calling the police.

Jesus Christ you are retarded.
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #307 on: October 06, 2015, 01:30:46 AM »
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No, are you?

If firearms became illegal overyeldurht, do you think criminals would just keep on acting as before? No, obviously not. Around here if I see a person carrying any firearm and who doesn't look like a cop or soldier I'm calling the police.

I hope you're being facetious.
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #308 on: October 06, 2015, 02:32:43 AM »
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Jesus Christ you are retarded.
Now, is that nice? Guy was crucified already, do you need to call him a retard too?
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #309 on: October 06, 2015, 02:40:09 AM »
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Jesus Christ you are retarded.

Because it's not legit to call the freaking police when a man is walking near of a crowded place with a loaded firearm, right ? I'm starting to get why there are so many shootings now, it's not the fault of firearms indeed, but simply americans I guess.

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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #310 on: October 06, 2015, 02:55:58 AM »
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You know you can use an AK rifle with a shorter barrel and/or no stock, right ?

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Something like this would be extremely easy to conceal, and can still be called an assault rifle in my opinion.


On my side, I'm happy to know that there is a little chance for me to get shot down at uni or anywhere outside the dangerous zones like Marseille, simply because it's illegal to own an assault rifle, and there are heavy restrictions on owning a weapon like a 9mm pistol.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/europe/france-train-shooting-americans-overpower/

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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #311 on: October 06, 2015, 03:07:03 AM »
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Even if the red line between terrorists and simple psychopaths is quite small, not giving psychos easy ways to purchase guns legally save people. What you've been linking is a terrorist that got his guns in Belgium, and obviously, not a complete psychopath like these guys that are shooting in schools with weapons they bought recently from legal gun stores in America.

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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #312 on: October 06, 2015, 03:09:51 AM »
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Because it's not legit to call the freaking police when a man is walking near of a crowded place with a loaded firearm, right ? I'm starting to get why there are so many shootings now, it's not the fault of firearms indeed, but simply americans I guess.

Do you think criminals walk around carrying AK47s and waving around their guns?
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #313 on: October 06, 2015, 04:41:43 AM »
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Guns are not the problem.

United States' homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 4,7. Russia's is 10,2, even though handguns are completely prohibited and long guns are strongly restricted.

4,7 is a high number compared to European countries: it is, however, an average gotten from 50 states with wildly varying homicide rates. Hawaii has 0,5 (half of Western Europe's average) and Louisiana has 10,54 (slightly higher than Russia) - and the average is gotten from these and the other 48 less extreme states.

Hawaii does not have a problem with violence, Louisiana does. To get relevant numbers, one mustn't look at the United States on the whole, but as it is: an union of different states, cultures and  people.

Switzerland has one of the most liberal gun policies of Western Europe, and yet one of the smallest homicide rates: 0,7. In the United Kingdom, all handguns and semi-automatic rifles are illegal, but its rate (1,2) is distinctly bigger.

United States has 89 firearms per one hundred citizens, and 3,2 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants are committed with those. Mexico has 15 firearms per hundred citizens, but 22,7 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants are committed with those.

The facts are that the presence of firearms does not have an effect on the amount of homicides, only on how they are committed.

The homicide rates per state are as follows:

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The north-east and west are the most peaceful, the mid-west a bit more restless, and the south the most violent by a good margin. 43,6% of murders were committed in the south (15 states).

Out of 17-29 year-olds, there are twice more black victims than white.

Now, is there a correlation between gun laws and homicides?

In Alaska, Arizona, Vermont and Wyoming, you can carry a loaded gun both openly and concealed without a permit. These states receive six stars (******).

After those come states in which open carry is unrestricted, but concealed carry requires a permit that officials have to issue: Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico, Montana, South Dakota, Kentucky, Virginia, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine, North Carolina. They receive five stars (*****).

Third, states where you need a permit for open carry, and concealed carry is "shall-issue." (A Shall-Issue jurisdiction is one that requires a permit to carry a concealed handgun, but where the granting of such permits is subject only to meeting determinate criteria laid out in the law; the granting authority has no discretion in the awarding of the permits, and there is no requirement of the applicant to demonstrate "good cause".): Utah, North Dakota, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Connecticut and Delaware. These receive four stars (****).

Fourth, states where open carry requires a permit, and concealed carry is "may-issue": Massachusetts and Rhode Island. These receive three stars. (***).

Texas, Arkansas, South Carolina and Florida are "shall-issue" states where open carry is not permitted. They receive two stars. (**).

California and New York are "may-issue" states that do not permit open carry. Hawaii, Maryland and New Jersey completely disallow concealed carry, but give permits for open carry. These receive one star. (*).

Illinois and District of Columbia completely ban both concealed and open carry, and do not receive a single star. States with an "assault weapon ban" also receive a minus (-).

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As we can see, finding a clear correlation is difficult. Both the most peaceful state Hawaii and the murder capital Washington DC have harsh gun laws in effect.

In conclusion, gun laws do not seem to have any effect on homicide rates in the United States. The same correlation can be seen internationally.
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #314 on: October 06, 2015, 05:00:51 AM »
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No, are you?

If firearms became illegal overyeldurht, do you think criminals would just keep on acting as before? No, obviously not. Around here if I see a person carrying any firearm and who doesn't look like a cop or soldier I'm calling the police.

"No I'm not, what are you?"  You make a great 12 year old debater.
 
Do you think criminals carry weapons in plain sight?  Do you think they display them until they intend to use them? 
Of course they would not keep acting as before, they would become emboldened.  They would be the only civilians with firearms. By the way, it is already illegal for criminals to possess firearms.  Does that prevent them from possessing them?  No it does not. Gun laws and bans only affect law respecting citizens, not criminals, who by definition, don't respect the law.