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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2011, 03:47:08 AM »
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Not really, you like to use plate armor, and that gives a penalty to WPF which is why you need the 3 WM... 30/9 is the best build for you man :P
If you wanted to do a generation of 36/3 in light to medium armor to save money up for your next 30/9 in ultra loomed plate, sure. That would be a really good idea actually.

The thing is, 36/3 with 12 PS 10 IF 1 ath, Full plate brings your effective WPF to ~75 which is not good since you want 100 wpf to fully use a weapon. If you are Ok with not moving fast ahaha. If you have your gambeson on with 36/3 you'll still have 110 WPF :D. I think 30/9 is where it is at for your character and style to be honest.
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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2011, 03:51:08 AM »
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I am going for level 34 :P and 33/9
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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2011, 03:55:09 AM »
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oooh sweet, I'm gonna calc that right now. Yeah, this thread is more geared towards level 30 characters as is the standard :P
 33/9 at level 34 gets you: 11 IF /11 PS/ 3WM/ 3 Ath/ 1 point left over? I assume it is in shield.
or did you put 3 in shield? I don't think i've seen you with a shield ever.

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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2011, 04:02:53 AM »
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I currently have no points avaible, and 0 points in shield  :lol:
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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2011, 06:03:15 PM »
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I like your 21/15 1h horse build.

However, I am wondering...what if I wanted a horse build that can also use polearm.  ON the ground, mainly a shielder but can also whip out a glaive or use a lance if the situation calls for it.

This is mainly a question about wpf.  Do you think that:
WM: 5
one handed: 130
Polearm: 89

is enough?  Or would it just be too slow?

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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2011, 06:34:07 PM »
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HA with only 2 ha points? pretty useless.

15-24 with 4 HA is the only way to go
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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2011, 06:05:05 AM »
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I like your 21/15 1h horse build.

However, I am wondering...what if I wanted a horse build that can also use polearm.  ON the ground, mainly a shielder but can also whip out a glaive or use a lance if the situation calls for it.

This is mainly a question about wpf.  Do you think that:
WM: 5
one handed: 130
Polearm: 89

is enough?  Or would it just be too slow?
You want at least 100 wpf in a melee weapon, at 100 you use the weapon according to stats listed on the item. More than that doesn't actually do much though that is noticeable until 170+ WPF, and that is a really small gain in speed. I'd suggest 115 or 120 onehanded, rest pole arm. That would be better.

HA with only 2 ha points? pretty useless.

15-24 with 4 HA is the only way to go
You're so far in you don't even know there is a box.
The HA penalty is miniscule. The difference of 2 to 4 HA is something you'd barely notice. The higher accuracy from WPF you'd notice, but man you do sooo little damage on 5 PD Ha builds. Personal preference, both are valid builds. 27/12 is a slower cannon, 15/24 is a jet propelled BB gun.
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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2011, 05:16:05 AM »
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Any ideas on why NA 2 handers seem to pump more str thn in EU?
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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2011, 06:03:20 AM »
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I'd like a good 1h shield build. I don't plan on using heavy armor.

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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2011, 06:27:54 AM »
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I'd like a good 1h shield build. I don't plan on using heavy armor.
21/15 is the most solid 1h build by far. Does good damage, can take hits, can use a huscarl, moves decently. Is best with a sword for the reach, rather than something shorter like a warhammer. That doesn't mean warhammers are bad with it, you'll destroy people still but you need to get closer first.
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24/15 is a common variation of it, 8 PS but 0 IF. 8% more damage for 11 less hp(str adds 1 HP per point). The HP is more important so I suggest and prefer 21/15.
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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2011, 06:29:54 AM »
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Any ideas on why NA 2 handers seem to pump more str thn in EU?

Its reallllllly efficient, I personally use and 1 hander and no shield, and I can keep with most agi oriented 2 hander due to the basic speed of my weapon being faster, compensates for the lack of WPF.
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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2011, 06:54:01 AM »
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Its reallllllly efficient, I personally use and 1 hander and no shield, and I can keep with most agi oriented 2 hander due to the basic speed of my weapon being faster, compensates for the lack of WPF.
Piggy backing on this, agility is a double edged sword. Your athletics makes you move faster, can give you a bit of movement speed bonus but you'll pay less attention to correct footwork direction usually by crutching on the speed. it makes you a worse player. Your athletics means you move faster at the enemy too, so your speed bonus works against you as well, especially when you step into their swing...
 Higher WPF does not allow you or them to spam. I regularly double-swing people on my 36/3 build and destroy them because direction you step and swing in > speed of the speed and direction you step (besides it is a very small amount you get from wpf..). Weapon speed effects your attack speed more than WPF. Remember that.

Let's say I'm fighting a 15/24 agi 2h on my 36/3 build. This is a more extreme example, but you'll get the point.
1) He tries to circle me. I match his turn rate because athletics doesn't touch character turn rate, and he ends up walking into the direction of my swing and gets onehit.
2) he tries to backpeddle me. I don't chase him so he just looks like a coward playing with himself 10 feet away while I go back to killing dudes. If he comes back we'll fight like #3.
3)He fights me straight-up and is at a severe disadvantage due to needing 4-8 hits to kill me, while I need only one or two to kill him. He does not swing any faster and can not break the block-swing cycle.
4) Due to his low HP amount he can not risk to do chambers, while I can risk 2 or 3 chamber attempts safely while knowing I won't die to his weak swings. If I chamber any of his side swings I'll win the fight.
5)If he glances due to his low damage, which is likely, I automatically win because he can't block my swing.
6) He tries fancy footwork side step spam stuff and just steps into a swing and dies.
7)He gets to fights a bit faster than me. If a team of strength builds fight a team of agi builds with equal skill, the strength will win every time. getting to the fight faster means nothing if you can't take 2 hits when you get there.
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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2011, 07:30:01 AM »
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3/36

12 riding
11 shield skill

111 torch skill one-handed

The only way to go.  This is the only build you need.
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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2011, 07:49:12 AM »
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3/36

12 riding
11 shield skill

111 torch skill one-handed

The only way to go.  This is the only build you need.
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Re: Solid Builds
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2011, 08:13:00 AM »
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3/36

12 riding
11 shield skill

111 torch skill one-handed

The only way to go.  This is the only build you need.

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