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Penalty with shield
« on: March 01, 2011, 12:10:55 PM »
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Quick question about Penalty with Shield.

What excatly does it mean?

Is the weapon slower? For how much?
Does it do less damage? For how much?

Or something different?

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Re: Penalty with shield
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2011, 12:14:18 PM »
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I believe it gives around 30% penalty to speed, might be the same with damage.

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Re: Penalty with shield
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2011, 12:25:15 PM »
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For as far as I know it's -30% to both speed and damage in native.

I assume it's the same here, but I could be wrong.
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Re: Penalty with shield
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2011, 12:26:42 PM »
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No, penalty with shield is the same as in native. Except that in cRPG some weapons have lost the penalty (most spears).

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Re: Penalty with shield
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2011, 12:31:04 PM »
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Isn't penalty on spears only gotten if the weapon is longer than 150?

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Re: Penalty with shield
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2011, 12:34:49 PM »
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You can check which spears have the penalty with shield in the shop.

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Re: Penalty with shield
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2011, 10:01:37 PM »
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I believe it gives around 30% penalty to speed, might be the same with damage.

The penalty with shield modifier is for damage, and a 30% reduction in damage seems to be accurate. All polearms are slower when used with a shield compared to when used two handed, even those without the penalty with shield modifier. The difference in time per attack depends on the weapon speed. The equations for time per attack verses weapon speed with 1 proficiency are:

Time per attack for polearms used with two hands = -0.0124 seconds * (weapon speed) + 2.3368 seconds
Time per attack for polearms used with a shield     = -0.0195 seconds * (weapon speed) + 3.257 seconds

Where those equations are coming from can be found in this thread if you are interested. The percent increase in time per attack for a polearm used with a shield compared to used two handed is:

Speed 104 Staff: 17%
Speed 98 Spear: 20%
Speed 95 War Spear: 21%
Speed 92 Awlpike: 22%
Speed 90 Bamboo Spear: 23%
Speed 75 Heavy Lance: 28%

The percentages remain constant regardless of user proficiency as the reduction in time per attack with increasing proficiency is proportional to the time per attack at 1 proficiency and the reduction in time per attack appears to be constant at ~6.5% per 100 proficiency for all weapon animations.

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Re: Penalty with shield
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2011, 10:09:00 PM »
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thx Walt :D

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Re: Penalty with shield
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2011, 04:06:25 PM »
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is their no more penalty with shield on polearms in the latest update (1.240) ?
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