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New Market Rule
« on: February 24, 2012, 10:31:42 AM »
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From now on, exploiting other players' mistakes on the market will be against the rules.

This means that if you find offers that are obvious mistakes you must return those item/gold to the original owner without any personal gain.
You can buy the item and instantly contact the owner so no one else can grab it or you just PM him and make him aware of his mistake.

If you instead decide to keep the stuff or try to get some extra money out of it, we will forcefully return those items/gold and make sure there is a proper punishment.

We had to put this rule in place since lately some players decided that their own gain is more important than the community and we will make sure they change their mind about that.
Players quit over such mistakes and this will not happen anymore.

There is no way we can return items that were lost this way before since there was no rule against it.
Now there is.
So if you get into trouble on the market because you entered some wrong numbers, be assured from now on you will get your stuff back.

If your "trade partner" is not cooperative according to this rule - contact us.

This only goes for obvious mistakes, some examples:
  • Selling heirlooms for a fraction of their actual value. (e.g. selling a +3 item for 1/1500/15000/150000 gold and similar deals)
  • Offering a multitude of their value in gold. (e.g. offering 3 million gold for a +1 Item)
  • Offering a +3 item for a +0 +1 +2 item without requesting extra gold.

As always - common sense applies, cases that fall under this rule will be obvious to everyone.

Do not try to abuse this to revert trades because you could have gotten a better one some minutes later or to get temporary money to do other deals, it will be completely obvious to us.

EDIT: Stickied since it's becoming a problem again lately.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2012, 06:55:09 PM by Meow »

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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2012, 11:06:19 AM »
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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2012, 11:19:27 AM »
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What about someone selling a +1 item for 100 000 gold. If the guy is just a fool but didn't make any mistake is that exploiting?
So will there be minimum price for heirloom now?

In fact i definetely agree with these new rules, I just think that this need precise explaination.

What about someone offering a dagger +3 against a German Greatsword +2.
If i had a dagger+3 i would definetely try to replace it by a +2 German Greatsword

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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2012, 11:29:14 AM »
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I edited the +2 part of that example but as said, this is about obvious mistakes not about real deals that people want to do.

You can if you like trade a +3 item for a +1 item or 5 gold, we do not care.
This is about people getting ripped off for failing to enter the right numbers or the right heirloom modifier.

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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2012, 12:42:11 PM »
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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2012, 12:43:36 PM »
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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2012, 12:54:58 PM »
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Punishing people who have done this previously would be awesome but it wouldnt be right unfortunately.

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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2012, 01:10:06 PM »
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Yay, now I can safely sell my +3 KAS for 100000 gold and still get it back with the money cause obviously enough I wanted to sell it for one million.


Please define precisely what is an "obvious input error" or "getting ripped" and what is not. Otherwise it just sounds like the "We can revert trades we don't like now trolololz" rule.

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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2012, 01:14:46 PM »
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Yay, now I can safely sell my +3 KAS for 100000 gold and still get it back with the money cause obviously enough I wanted to sell it for one million.


Please define precisely what is an "obvious input error" or "getting ripped" and what is not. Otherwise it just sounds like the "We can revert trades we don't like now trolololz" rule.

Common sense?
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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2012, 01:15:06 PM »
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Is there going to be some time limit when you can no longer contest an older trade?  I feel like it will be important to draw a line between someone putting something up as a mistake, and someone putting something up underpriced but intentionally, and then realizing how much they could have made later.

As long as this new rule is kept to the very obvious mistake exploiting I think it's a good change... but I foresee some gray areas in the future.

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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2012, 01:16:16 PM »
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Yay, now I can safely sell my +3 KAS for 100000 gold and still get it back with the money cause obviously enough I wanted to sell it for one million.


Please define precisely what is an "obvious input error" or "getting ripped" and what is not. Otherwise it just sounds like the "We can revert trades we don't like now trolololz" rule.

Do not try to abuse this to revert trades because you could have gotten a better one some minutes later or to get temporary money to do other deals, it will be completely obvious to us.

Also which of the examples do you want specified?

If you do such a trade and do not realize that minutes after seeing the trade happened, you will not get anything back, nor will you if you use that money since the trade will be fully reverted which means the other side of the trade will get his/her gold back as well.

EDIT: Removed some "obviously"s.
It amazes me that common sense seems to be very very rare in this community or some people just try ignore it to make a point.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2012, 01:25:03 PM by Meow »

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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2012, 01:32:35 PM »
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Socialist big brother, now coming to c-RPG... sad day for civil liberties!

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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2012, 01:38:52 PM »
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Meow, you should know by now. There is no common sense, you should call it "Good Sense" instead.
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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2012, 01:50:17 PM »
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It is quite easy to notice mistakes. We all know the average prices of certain items. If someone puts up a Flamberge + 3 for 150,000 Gold, it is surely a mistake. If someone puts up a Ligh Lance +1 for 300,000 Gold it is no mistake. It is cheap for +1 items but Light Lances aren't really worth more (at least that is around the price that is in the market all the time). If someone forgets a "0" it is a mistake, if someone puts it for 20,000 less than he could earn, it is not. Well it could be, but anyone could claim that. If there is the same item for 400,000 and someone puts it for 300,000, it could be seen as mistake.
I guess in most cases it is up to the admins (but why should someone sell the same item for 100,000 less if ppl could probably buy it for a higher price (ie. 390,000)). :)

Good idea however. Probably some work coming up...
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Re: New Market Rule
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2012, 01:57:51 PM »
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