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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2018, 12:48:43 AM »
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Thank Buddha it is the three kingdoms and not some gay euroshit or anime again. You eurocentrists and anime-loving weaboos can go be butthurt but I will gladly pre-order this masterpiece in the making, like why would you idiots want ANOTHER fucking game set in europe.

It's like you don't get why folk'd be apprehensive.

But then you go and hit the nail on the head right at the end of your post.

You all know of the hero mechanic successfully implemented in the total war warhammer franchise....

They're bound to carry over the weird fantasy "I fight 100 men!" mechanics of Total Warhammer heroes. And that's pretty shite for a Total War game set in real-world history. The focus will be on hero-characters and super-moves, not interesting battles.
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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2018, 09:09:24 AM »
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there is alot of problems with having a 1 man unit in the total war engine, most of these were obvious at wh1 release. basically having a powerful unit with such a small hitbox means you can abuse ai alot in battles and particularly in sieges where they can negate tower fire.

it kinda needs to be there for warhammer, but making it a staple of the series is the worst idea yet. but we don't actually know yet if that is the case, just seems likely from the pointless cgi trailer.

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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2018, 11:07:18 AM »
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Three kingdoms, what a crock of shit, I bet it's going to be a fantasy game based on the romanticized version of Chinese history. No cultural variation and the only way the units cant be copy and paste reskins like Shogun, is if they do indeed make it a fantasy game. Warhammer TW like heroes that will be stupid af. My money is on this being shit, go suck a dick Bugnir, many of the games maps contain middle east, north africa etc, but the reason why many of the games have Europe as a main point is because we are THE SHIT, deal with it. Chinese still boiling dogs alive, stuck in the Three Kingdoms era.

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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2018, 11:15:22 AM »
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I remember in Dynasty Warriors 2, you had to kill 1000 enemies at Hu lao gate to unlock the mighy lu bu, oh the memories.

I also remember picking lu bu, playing at hu lao gate on Dong Zhuos army, and 1 man soloing fucking up the allied forces.

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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2018, 04:35:32 PM »
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Also... I can understand the sentiments of people who are actually genuinely excited about this installment, i really can. Good for you. But to me this way they've taken just screams commercialization. It's like i can imagine a group meeting, a sitdown with the devs and some sega officers where they discuss this. Hey, TW:China is the next best thing since sliced bread! Less effort to put in since it's pretty much within the borders one cultural (or at least racial) group, thus less diversity to work on. There's also less effort required for actual historical homework and research both for previous reasons as well as the reason this seems like it's gonna be a heavily romanticized version of that time period.

And last but not least... monetization. A potential huge client pool called China + a reason to put in as many fucking hero units as DLCS as possible... there we go. Perfection. Nothing can't go wrong since most people will be curious about this new setting anyway, not realizing how much they may have actually lost on with the possible other options for new, untouched historical periods and settings.
Shame.

Tbh every and all interesting era/region falls into the categories you mentionned to a degree: romanticized, national fervor, heroic figures.
If it wouldnt, it would mean that the picked setting is too narrow to be a real Total War.

Not to say it doesnt benefit SEGA/CA that it is so  :wink:  I am well aware that this company turned to shit, I am myself more interested in getting pirated copies of every and all of their next installations. I have felt burned on their last 3 games so its the end for me, I buy only if there is lots of mods and cool guys to play multiplayer campaign.

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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2018, 04:41:05 PM »
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Either it's crappy Warhammer/Fantasy total war games coming out or single nation-focused Total War games coming out it seems.
Wish we'd get an Empire 2 already and then eventually Medieval 3.

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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2018, 06:08:07 PM »
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Meanwhile the three kingdoms has such an abudance of them just look how many potential heroes there are:
Guan Yu
Lu Bu
Cao Cao
Cao Pi
Gongsun San
Liu Bei
Lu Bu
Jia Xu
Guan Ping
Dong Zhuo
Dian Wei
Liu Shan
Pang Tong
Sima Lang
Wei Yan
Sima Yi
Xiahou Dun
Xu Huang
Xu Zhu
Yue Ying
Yuan Shu
Zhang Feng
Ma Dai
Mai Dick
Jackie Chan
Fu Manchu
Sun Tzu
Pai Mei
Ip man
Sun Wukong
Mao Zedong
Linda Wong
Ping Pong
Brother Hao
Uzumaki Naruto
Karate Kid
Ying Yang
Miyamoto Musashi
Ranma Saotome
Master Splinter
Xiao mei mei
Ranka Lee
Wu-tang clan
Zhuge Liang
Zhang He
Zhen Ji
Zhang Jiao
Zhang Liao
... and the list goes on.
Wow you left the best one off of your list- Zhao Yun, courtesy name Zilong. And lol @ karate kid, ping pong, Jackie Chan, some random japanese guy and the others that dont belong on that list.
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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2018, 09:02:06 PM »
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They're bound to carry over the weird fantasy "I fight 100 men!" mechanics of Total Warhammer heroes. And that's pretty shite for a Total War game set in real-world history. The focus will be on hero-characters and super-moves, not interesting battles.

If a person who has dedicated his entire life to master the arts of combat, clad in heavy armor and equipped with a finely crafted weapon, were to go up against 100 unarmored peasants, then yes I do believe he'd be able to take them out. There is nothing "weird" or "fantasy" about it at all. Chinese martial arts are far more advanced and sophisticated in comparison to its barbaric and primitive european counterpart. To get an appreciation of just how great chinese martial arts are I'd recommend you educate yourself by watching "Shaolin monk vs" videos on youtube or any movie made by Yimou Zhang.

Heskey the world around us is changing and so is Total War, it's not the same monolith of a franchise it once was and you will have to accept this. I mean instead of being stuck in the past how about you think of all the positive changes that can be made by radically changing the game. We already know there is a first person mode in previous titles which limits you to controlling artillery, but imagine if you'd be able to play as your favorite three kingdoms hero in third person cutting down hordes of enemies by twirling and spinning around just like in the Dynsasty Warriors games (a series superior to Total War btw), wouldn't that be great?
Heck if CA were to just announce they are release Dynasty Warriors 10 then we should embrace it with open arms and minds.


Three kingdoms, what a crock of shit, I bet it's going to be a fantasy game based on the romanticized version of Chinese history. No cultural variation and the only way the units cant be copy and paste reskins like Shogun

Yes so copy-pasted compared to a masterful game like Medieval 2 where every european faction has the same roster of peasants and knights with minor differences, like the game can be summed up as "knights in different colors".
Empire total war is no different in how everything is the fuckig same.
"but dude Austria has more faceless men in their line infantry regiments which totally differentiates them from everyones else, so brilliant, and look Sweden has more men in their light dragoon unit this is so unique and well thought out!"

How about Atilla Total War where not only does every faction have the same roster but they are ALL GERMANIC FACTIONS. Speaking of romanticzising total war, do you consider this to be historically accurate and not just bullshit fiction in order to appeal to viking fanboys?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRqWw6_gKag

but the reason why many of the games have Europe as a main point is because we are THE SHIT, deal with it. Chinese still boiling dogs alive, stuck in the Three Kingdoms era.

Half this forum is filled with closet racist and 90% of the posters here are eurocentrist so it does not come as a surpise that you want to play a game set in a time period where Europeans genocided and enslaved people of colour all over the world. By making the setting three kingdoms they are clearly making a stance in the fight to decolonize video gaming and for that I applaud them.
Bravo CA, bravo!

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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2018, 09:08:32 PM »
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If a person who has dedicated his entire life to master the arts of combat, clad in heavy armor and equipped with a finely crafted weapon, were to go up against 100 unarmored peasants, then yes I do believe he'd be able to take them out.

Meanwhile I'd bet that just 5 could take him out, easy. Run at him, dogpile him so he can't even move, shank him with knives until he bleeds out. Not to mention the chinese didn't use full plate armor or anything, so an arrow to the chest is still an arrow to the chest, regardless of how many hours you've trained in the martial arts.
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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2018, 09:09:45 PM »
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Meanwhile I'd bet that just 5 could take him out, easy. Run at him, dogpile him so he can't even move, shank him with knives until he bleeds out. Not to mention the chinese didn't use full plate armor or anything, so an arrow to the chest is still an arrow to the chest, regardless of how many hours you've trained in the martial arts.
You musta never seen that movie Hero- chinese can dodge arrows.
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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2018, 09:23:03 PM »
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If a person who has dedicated his entire life to master the arts of combat, clad in heavy armor and equipped with a finely crafted weapon, were to go up against 100 unarmored peasants, then yes I do believe he'd be able to take them out.

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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2018, 09:40:13 PM »
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If a person who has dedicated his entire life to master the arts of combat, clad in heavy armor and equipped with a finely crafted weapon, were to go up against 100 unarmored peasants, then yes I do believe he'd be able to take them out.

Meanwhile I'd bet that just 5 could take him out, easy. Run at him, dogpile him so he can't even move, shank him with knives until he bleeds out. Not to mention the chinese didn't use full plate armor or anything, so an arrow to the chest is still an arrow to the chest, regardless of how many hours you've trained in the martial arts.


Both yours and Bugnir theory have massive flaws:
- killing is tiring business, so even if you are totally invincible (from armor and/or skill) you cannot kill many unless you do it on a span of an entire battle or even war, and that number would not go much higher than a couple hundreds in a lifetime even for the luckier son of a bitch out there.
- noone "dogpiles" anyone that is being actively threatened with sharpened tools... now if the target is surrounded, occupied, alone, or a combination of the three, sure... but its never a simple question of maths.

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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2018, 09:57:36 PM »
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Both yours and Bugnir theory have massive flaws:
- killing is tiring business, so even if you are totally invincible (from armor and/or skill) you cannot kill many unless you do it on a span of an entire battle or even war, and that number would not go much higher than a couple hundreds in a lifetime even for the luckier son of a bitch out there.
- noone "dogpiles" anyone that is being actively threatened with sharpened tools... now if the target is surrounded, occupied, alone, or a combination of the three, sure... but its never a simple question of maths.

100 people and not one of them can grab an arm?

100 dumb peasants and everyone's knocking half-assed against 1 person in their superior armour? Also the armour is magic so none of the weapons that fail to penetrate carry any momentum into the wearer. Also all 100 peasants maintain an optimal distance for their single opponent to be able to swing and hit them, but without getting in the way of his swings prematurely. And none of them at any point, not even the ones behind, ever consider attempting to grab the one person somehow killing dozens of them with a sword.

Maybe they all sit on the ground and expect him to grow into corn. Y'know, cos they're dumb peasants.

... fantasy shit.
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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2018, 10:10:53 PM »
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100 people and not one of them can grab an arm?

100 dumb peasants and everyone's knocking half-assed against 1 person in their superior armour? Also the armour is magic so none of the weapons that fail to penetrate carry any momentum into the wearer. Also all 100 peasants maintain an optimal distance for their single opponent to be able to swing and hit them, but without getting in the way of his swings prematurely. And none of them at any point, not even the ones behind, ever consider attempting to grab the one person somehow killing dozens of them with a sword.

Maybe they all sit on the ground and expect him to grow into corn. Y'know, cos they're dumb peasants.

... fantasy shit.

Being surrounded by 100 peasants is fantasy shit in itself  :lol: :lol:. But I did add that being surrounded (whatever the number that surrounds, 3 or 1 000 000) can indeed lead to any extraordinary heroes being quickly dispatched: basically we agree on the fact that you cant solo armies of people. But then you gotta mitigate that fact with the factor that virtually noone except fanatics would just "pile" on an enemy, people dont want to be the first die you know? Both anti and pro heroes are using fantasy as facts.

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Re: Total War: THREE KINGDOMS
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2018, 10:25:22 PM »
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Being surrounded by 100 peasants is fantasy shit in itself  :lol: :lol:. But I did add that being surrounded (whatever the number that surrounds, 3 or 1 000 000) can indeed lead to any extraordinary heroes being quickly dispatched: basically we agree on the fact that you cant solo armies of people. But then you gotta mitigate that fact with the factor that virtually noone except fanatics would just "pile" on an enemy, people dont want to be the first die you know? Both anti and pro heroes are using fantasy as facts.

Being surrounded by 100 peasants or 'normie' soldiers is exactly what the heroes in this game are going to be. So yes, fantasy shit.

You wouldn't grab an enemy's arm if you were behind them with no effective weapon? You wouldn't "pile" on an enemy if they were heavily armoured (and you knew your weapon wouldnt do shit) and their weapon was temporarily held at bay? A pitchfork can't pierce their armour therefore it couldn't possibly be a physical object that pins or blocks their weapon long enough for other people to rip the guy to shreds? Soloing 100 people with a sword, just nonsense. It relies on so many flawed assumptions. People don't wanna be the first to die, they also don't want to die fullstop and there's 100 of them vs 1 man. Even if they were (all) trying to back away, you think you wouldn't get anyone turning fierce/desperate when they realise the people behind them have effectively blocked them in. And every slice would be clean, insta-kill, the blade never gets stuck? No wounded clawing at the legs, no swords jammed in cavities. It's a LotR fantasy, from people who reach that conclusion by flailing wildly in their bedroom mirror imagining that every flail is a dead man xD
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